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David Hobson
Location: Stourbridge, UK Joined: 17 Nov 2008
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 Posted: Mon 17 Nov, 2008 11:53 am Post subject: Help identifying marks on 1796 Sword |
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Hi, first post, so I hope I am complying with forum rules!
I found the forum through an internet trawl having been given what is purported to be a 1796 Heavy Cavalry sword. Condition seems quite good so my immediate thoughts where it was a replica. Notwithstanding this it has the following marks
On the scabbard - OSBORN & Co. Birmingham
On the edge of the blade near the hilt in cursive script
J.J. RunKel Sohlingen - I think
and on the side near the hilt a circle with a bump at the top and a 1 inside, with a 4 below (not a great description!)
photos can (hopefully) be seen here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/14390133@N06/
Any help or advice on
storing/maintaining the sword (I am more used to firearms than edged weapons)
what the marks on the side of the blade may mean
Thanks
David
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Shahril Dzulkifli
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| Posted: Wed 19 Nov, 2008 4:53 pm Post subject: Help Identifying Marks on 1796 Sword |
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You are right, David.
The markings on your sword's blade says it all - "J.J. Runkel Solingen".
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Matt Easton
Location: Surrey, UK. Joined: 30 Jun 2004
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Jonathan Hopkins
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Runkel was a German immigrant who lived in England and imported blades from Solingen. According to OldSwords.com, Runkel operated at Tookes Court in London from 1795-1808; and Henry Osborn operated at various addresses in Birmingham and London from 1785-1807. I am not sure if Osborn ever bought blades from Runkel to fulfill contracts. Another explanation is that the Runkel sword lost its scabbard and was paired with a spare one that was made by Osborn.
Jonathan
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Matt Easton
Location: Surrey, UK. Joined: 30 Jun 2004
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David Hobson
Location: Stourbridge, UK Joined: 17 Nov 2008
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Thanks for input, looks like it was an ok gift (as it was free)! 
David
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D Critchley
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| Matt Easton wrote: | Runkel were one of the main Solingen blade makers of the time and Osborn were one of the main British makers - presumably they hilted and finished this using a Runkel blade.
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There were 2 of these at the last London Arms fair Matt. They are replicas spuriously marked.
The easiest way to spot them by sight is the curious border on the langet, the broad grip and narrow scabbard. But when you pick them up they are much too heavy and the wrong balance for an original.
D
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Alan Massey
Location: Nova Scotia Joined: 01 Oct 2016
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| Posted: Sat 15 Oct, 2016 6:11 am Post subject: The stamp is also wrong... |
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Seems it is a replica but not a bad present. You could always get someone to thin it out to improve handling.
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David Cooper
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Alan
These posts are 8 years old
The journey not the destination
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Alan Massey
Location: Nova Scotia Joined: 01 Oct 2016
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| David Cooper wrote: | Alan
These posts are 8 years old |
At my age 8 years are nothing... 
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This is a standard topic