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John McKelvy
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 Posted: Fri 18 Mar, 2016 12:21 pm Post subject: "headphones" on 15th century helmets |
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Greetings!
I am in the process of putting together some 15th c. kit for SCA cut-and-thrust. I've noticed that, in a lot of period illustrations, the helms have what look like metal headphones covering the ears. Just dished disks, really. However, I have not seen any modern armorer making helmets with these.
Here's the weird thing: the disks seem to come with various different helmet styles. On some, they appear to protect the hinge-point for the visor. On others, they just seem to be ornamental or supplemental protection.
What's going on here?
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John McKelvy
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John McKelvy
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In this example, the helm in question is at the upper right of the image in the background.
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John McKelvy
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Mark Griffin
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Just simple additional protective rondels. Not on all helms of course but common enough. Bit of handy extra protection, esp if you are in an open face helmet.
Griff
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William P
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| Mark Griffin wrote: | Just simple additional protective rondels. Not on all helms of course but common enough. Bit of handy extra protection, esp if you are in an open face helmet.
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and also perhaps in some cases they might cover joints / hinge points, as seen in the sallet inj the fechtbuch and in the great bascinet
i know it;'s a fairly standard feature in armets to cover the lacing for the wrapper
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Pedro Paulo Gaião
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Helmet's rondells were used anywhere outside Germany and France? They were used from what period, and when they began to come into disuse?
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Mart Shearer
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BNF Français 2810, fo.232r, 1400-1420
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This is a standard topic