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Harry Marinakis
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 Posted: Wed 24 Feb, 2016 8:14 am Post subject: Wheeler IV/II Longseax info please |
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Sorry, I appear to be having a lot of difficulty finding extant examples of the Type IV/II Norse longsax. I want to make one, but I'd like to use a photo of an extant blade so I can get the proportions correct.
The IV/II is a fairly typical Norse longseax, with a straight back and curved edge, but it has a clip point.
Charts showing seax typology can be found in this thread:
http://myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=184...x+typology
Like this typology chart:
http://myArmoury.com/talk/download.php?id=26738
I appreciate any help. Thanks.
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Jeroen Zuiderwijk
Industry Professional
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| Posted: Wed 24 Feb, 2016 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: Wheeler IV/II Longseax info please |
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| Harry Marinakis wrote: | Sorry, I appear to be having a lot of difficulty finding extant examples of the Type IV/II Norse longsax. I want to make one, but I'd like to use a photo of an extant blade so I can get the proportions correct.
The IV/II is a fairly typical Norse longseax, with a straight back and curved edge, but it has a clip point.
Charts showing seax typology can be found in this thread:
http://myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=184...x+typology
Like this typology chart:
http://myArmoury.com/talk/download.php?id=26738
I appreciate any help. Thanks. |
I don't quite agree with those typologies, including the dating and grouping of saxes. It groups blades together based on very superficial features, but not belonging to the same time frame nor geographical distribution. I don't know which blade the one labeled IV/II longsax is based on, but the other IV/II that chart is a very early narrow sax, which dates to the late 6th century, is Frankish and does not have a clipped point. None of these early narrow saxes have a clipped point. This was an early and wrong observation also by me of several narrow saxes, like for example the sax of Saint-Germain-en-Laye (which it looks like the drawing in the chart is based on):
http://www.culture.gouv.fr/Wave/image/joconde...7584_p.jpg It superficially looks like it has a clipped point, but that's rust incrustation, and the back actually very gently curves towards the tip.
So I can't help you with dimensions of this type of sax, as it doesn't really exist AFAIK. For nordic saxes, I'd rather use Jørgensen’s typology, which you can find here: http://www.bladesmithsforum.com/index.php?sho...p;p=143018. But sadly, I don't have a whole lot more info on Nordic saxes yet then in that post. I'd love to get more details and photos on Jørgensen’s type 2 and 4 saxes.
Jeroen Zuiderwijk
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Harry Marinakis
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Maybe that explains why I can't find any clip point examples
I'll just a make a typical norse seax then, I have plenty of examples of those
thank you
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