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Christopher B Lellis




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PostPosted: Thu 05 Nov, 2015 10:57 am    Post subject: Who makes a high quality Indian Tulwar in the market?         Reply with quote

Are there any manufacturers or even custom sword makers that make a fine quality Indian Tulwar?
If there are none, and you know it, let me know that too.

Thanks.


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J. Nicolaysen




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PostPosted: Thu 05 Nov, 2015 11:16 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Maybe Bernard Delor (French smith)
I haven't seen a particular Tulwar from him, but I think he would be capable, or at least worth asking: http://www.orient-blades.com/index.php/en/home
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PostPosted: Thu 05 Nov, 2015 12:01 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

You can buy original tulwars in good condition for a lower price than what a good replica of any sword can cost.
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PostPosted: Thu 05 Nov, 2015 12:18 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Luka Borscak wrote:
You can buy original tulwars in good condition for a lower price than what a good replica of any sword can cost.


I did not know that. Good to know.
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Christopher B Lellis




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PostPosted: Thu 05 Nov, 2015 12:18 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

J. Nicolaysen wrote:
Maybe Bernard Delor (French smith)
I haven't seen a particular Tulwar from him, but I think he would be capable, or at least worth asking: http://www.orient-blades.com/index.php/en/home


Thanks
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Luka Borscak




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PostPosted: Thu 05 Nov, 2015 12:39 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Matt Easton sometimes has one for sale on his site:
http://www.fioredeiliberi.org/antique-swords-uk/for-sale/
Right now there is an interesting Indian sword with 18th century european backsword blade. You could also check oldswords.com.
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PostPosted: Thu 05 Nov, 2015 2:37 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

There is a modern tulwar on the market, made by (or should I say rather 'marketed by') Cold Steel. However the blade is the same as on the 1796 Light Cavalry Saber they sell, and my understanding is the grip is a bit too long for a proper tulwar. So it's somewhat inaccurate. Functional and reasonably cheap, though.

Beyond that, your best bet would be picking up an antique from the various vendors. There are a ridiculous amount of them so they are reasonably priced for the most part. Decoration, condition, and rareness will affect the price-- one made out of Wootz steel will be more expensive than one of ordinary steel, of course.

For example, here's one from Oriental-Arms:
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=6923

18th century, gold grip, 'Very Good' condition, for $495. Then there's another one a few pages down that's $3000, but that's because it's wootz.

You can also search the Pulwar, which is a similar sword from Afghanistan or Pakistan. The only difference is in handle form.
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PostPosted: Thu 05 Nov, 2015 2:55 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Middle eastern weapons are seriously undervalued in the market. They're affordable enough that this is one area where it really makes no sense to buy a replica.
"In valor there is hope.".................. Tacitus
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PostPosted: Thu 05 Nov, 2015 3:11 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That's a really cool website, actually. I've also been wondering why there's seemingly no modern reproductions of Indian arms available in the West, especially from companies like Windlass...

I'm actually quite impressed by the African arms available - because the market must be quite niche as of now, the prices are pretty low for some rather impressive looking pieces. So, if you were ever curious about how a Tuareg sword handles, or are in need of a neat dagger, it might be a good chance to jump on something!

http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos.php?id=6218
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=4679
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=6559

Those Tetela daggers are really cool - I'd say they do better work than the fantasy artists by far, considering that theirs work in practice. Big Grin
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PostPosted: Thu 05 Nov, 2015 3:20 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I suspect the paucity of Indian weapons is mostly because India hasn't really made much of an impact in the American popular consciousness, and the US is really one of the biggest markets for this kind of stuff. There haven't been many movies or television shows featuring India or Indian weapons, while there have been a whole bunch about, for example, the Crusades and therefore Middle Eastern weapons.

Really the main place you see that kind of thing tends to be fantasy movies and shows, of all things.

Now if Bollywood movies suddenly became a thing in the States, I suspect you'd see a change... a few tasty Game of Thrones style period dramas with a few fancy tulwars, Windlass would be all over that Wink
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PostPosted: Thu 05 Nov, 2015 6:28 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Luka Borscak wrote:
Matt Easton sometimes has one for sale on his site:
http://www.fioredeiliberi.org/antique-swords-uk/for-sale/
Right now there is an interesting Indian sword with 18th century european backsword blade. You could also check oldswords.com.


Oh, thats a nice link. That 1796 British calvary sword... looks to be in excellent condition but SOLD
Darnit!
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PostPosted: Thu 05 Nov, 2015 6:29 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Michael Beeching wrote:
That's a really cool website, actually. I've also been wondering why there's seemingly no modern reproductions of Indian arms available in the West, especially from companies like Windlass...

I'm actually quite impressed by the African arms available - because the market must be quite niche as of now, the prices are pretty low for some rather impressive looking pieces. So, if you were ever curious about how a Tuareg sword handles, or are in need of a neat dagger, it might be a good chance to jump on something!

http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos.php?id=6218
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=4679
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=6559

Those Tetela daggers are really cool - I'd say they do better work than the fantasy artists by far, considering that theirs work in practice. Big Grin


Nice nice!
Keep the links coming. This is good stuff.
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Christopher B Lellis




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PostPosted: Thu 05 Nov, 2015 6:30 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jeffrey Faulk wrote:
I suspect the paucity of Indian weapons is mostly because India hasn't really made much of an impact in the American popular consciousness, and the US is really one of the biggest markets for this kind of stuff. There haven't been many movies or television shows featuring India or Indian weapons, while there have been a whole bunch about, for example, the Crusades and therefore Middle Eastern weapons.

Really the main place you see that kind of thing tends to be fantasy movies and shows, of all things.

Now if Bollywood movies suddenly became a thing in the States, I suspect you'd see a change... a few tasty Game of Thrones style period dramas with a few fancy tulwars, Windlass would be all over that Wink


Absolutely, unquestionably. Yep.
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PostPosted: Thu 05 Nov, 2015 7:21 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

One thing you might consider would be to buy a tulwar handle, and then mount a custom blade in it. You can find many antique and some really nice modern made tulwar handles on ebay. Most (not surprisingly) ship from India. Search for "tulwar handle" and "sword handle."

Just an idea. Could be a cool option if you didn't want to sharpen and cut with an antique blade.

Also, you can find some good deals on tulwars with ebay. I have two that I found on ebay, including one that I believe is made from wootz that the seller didn't realize.

Travis
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PostPosted: Thu 05 Nov, 2015 8:31 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here's a nice antique Tulwar for $495. See what I mean?
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=6923

"In valor there is hope.".................. Tacitus
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PostPosted: Fri 06 Nov, 2015 1:33 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Patrick Kelly wrote:
Here's a nice antique Tulwar for $495. See what I mean?
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=6923


Yeah, I saw that one, and almost bought it. As a matter of fact, I just may...
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PostPosted: Fri 06 Nov, 2015 2:53 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Christopher B Lellis wrote:
Patrick Kelly wrote:
Here's a nice antique Tulwar for $495. See what I mean?
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=6923


Yeah, I saw that one, and almost bought it. As a matter of fact, I just may...


If I had a spare $495 lying around I'd have already beaten you to it.

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PostPosted: Fri 06 Nov, 2015 2:54 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

As I would personally feel terrible cutting with an antique, I too am curious if there are any makers with an inclination towards making these types of swords.
...and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. (‭Luke‬ ‭22‬:‭36‬) To be without silver is better than to be without honor. -Norse proverb
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PostPosted: Fri 06 Nov, 2015 3:19 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

What really put me off about the linked Tulwar on Oriental Arms is the blade - the old lady has been sharpened so many times that a quarter of the blade is gone - I suspect that is why the sword is so inexpensive.

What I found myself wanting was a Khanda, and sure enough:

http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=6590

I suspect that particular weapon was one made with an imported European blade. If you take a look at the langets forward of the guard, you'll see what looks like some detail on the ricasso, probably a maker's or nation's seal. Still a neat weapon, though, and most definitely out of my pay grade at the moment.

What are more affordable and still in quite good shape on the site are katars, which I'd love to see more of on the market as well:

http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=5822
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=6414
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=5895
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PostPosted: Fri 06 Nov, 2015 7:21 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Michael Beeching wrote:
What really put me off about the linked Tulwar on Oriental Arms is the blade - the old lady has been sharpened so many times that a quarter of the blade is gone - I suspect that is why the sword is so inexpensive.


I'm not so sure about that. I thought the same thing initially, but the geometry seems too consistent to be wear.

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