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Susan Carter
Location: AUSTRALIA Joined: 29 Apr 2015
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 Posted: Wed 29 Apr, 2015 7:36 pm Post subject: unknown european warsword |
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I am looking for information on this warsword. This sword was described as a berlin templar sword. It is extremely heavy requiring 2 hands, and looks hand forged. It has four pointed stars in scrolled down quillons, and came from Europe. I had issues adding any attachment and added as filename.
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Jean Henri Chandler
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I'm sorry but it looks fake to me. Maybe 19th Century? Probably 20th.
J
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Mark Lewis
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Appears to be based on this sword in Madrid:
Sorry ,can't find a clearer photo...
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David Cooper
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| Posted: Thu 30 Apr, 2015 5:25 am Post subject: |
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Susan
Do you have any pictures of the whole sword?, because at the moment I agree with Mark. I suspect this to be a Victorian, blacksmith made, wall hanger.
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Neil Melville
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| Posted: Thu 30 Apr, 2015 5:46 am Post subject: |
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Hi Susan,
I'm afraid I have to agree with all the above replies. From your photo the sword looks too heavy and crude to be genuine.
But photos of the whole blade and whole hilt would help resolve the matter.
Neil
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Peter Johnsson
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This is a modern sword made to correspond to romantic notions of the medieval period.
It may work as an object of decoration in a dimly lit room, when seen from afar.
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Jean Henri Chandler
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| Posted: Thu 30 Apr, 2015 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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Wonderful to see you chiming in here Peter!
How far back do those kind of hilts go in Spain by the way?
I remember someone showed me a photo of what he said was "the" El Cid sword and I commented that the hilt looked like it was from a later period (thereby offended the poor guy) but afterword it occurred to me I didn't know much about sword hilt typology (or sword typology in general) in Spain. These swords are Arab influenced I assume, how different were Spanish swords in the early to high medieval period?
J
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Mark Lewis
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The sword I posted supposedly belonged to Ferdinand III, d. 1252. I'd guess the hilt is Andalusian work, and can't find any reference to it being of later manufacture...
El Cid's legendary swords Tizona and Colada are on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizona
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colada
At least the hilt of Tizona is a Spanish style from around 1500, and Colada is even later.
There is another "Tizona" held in Madrid... the hilt is entirely lost, but the blade carries an inscription of letters and birds similar to those appearing on Oakeshott's Xa.14-16, which could date it to the 11th century(?).
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This is a standard topic