[Mart Shearer]

Brian,
I'm not sure the peaked shoulders on the surcoats isn't simply from the tailoring. The Trinity Apocalypse seems to show a pale green lining inside the surcoats at arm and shoulder, which might be a natural linen liner. Folio 23v shows a tan sleeveless gambeson beneath the surcoat of an unhorsed knight, with the pale green lining inside the raised surcoat shoulders. A padded gambeson worn over mail is shown in several Spanish sources in the first quarter of the century as well as the mid-century Maciejowski Bible.
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4894/14449/
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4648/12023/
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http://www.medievaltymes.com/courtyard/images...etail3.gif

I'm not sure if this is supposed to be a gambeson or jazerant. We have literary references to wearing more than one layer of mail in the early 13th, so it doesn't really matter too much.
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4748/10688/

[Foong Chen Hong]

great input, guys.

Also, is there any chance of chainmail coif with lining inside being used at all?

[Mart Shearer]

There's a chance. The question has been often asked but never conclusively answered. Like so many things, the answer is probably, "sometimes".

There's another manuscript at Trinity College, Cambridge MS O.9.34, Romance of Alexander which probably dates to c. 1250. On folio 17v, it appears the mail is lined, since the normal mail pattern isn't shown on the inside of the hauberk or coif.
http://www.trin.cam.ac.uk/james/show.php?index=981

Another image in the Douce Apocalypse from 1265-1270 seems to show a coif lining.
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4390/8849/

Tommy Hellman examined the Wisby coifs for evidence of a cloth lining in Ringbrynjehuvor från massgravarna vid Korsbetningen (Mail hoods from the mass-grave at Korsbetningen).While he found traces of cloth beneath the mail, I'm not sure this can't be attributed to the linen coif normally worn over the hair, or in the case of cloth under the mantle, to the tunic.
http://www.djurfeldt.com/patrik/cupps.html

I'm sure there are equal amounts of evidence for no lining, so the best answer is likely "maybe" or "sometimes".

To correct myself, I mentioned the surcoat lining appearing on the gambeson-over-mail figure in the Trinity Apocalypse. It seems I blurred two figures on the same folio into one. I'll also attach the Trinity schynbald pic.

[Mart Shearer]

Here's some more poleyns from another panel on the St. Maurice reliquary, firmly dated to 1225.
http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/ch00104a03a.jpg

[Foong Chen Hong]

And arming cap/coif?

Sorry for asking so much, I am just fresh

[Mart Shearer]

Ask as much as you can: It's a good way to learn.

There seem to be two types of arming coif. These from the Maciejowski Bible seem to basically be a padded version of the civilian coif.


The other version seems to be a bit more enclosing of the face, and has a padded ring around the brow, though this may be a peculiar English fashion. Here's an example from Wells Cathedral where it's worn over the mail coif.
http://www.themcs.org/armour/knights/Wells%20...%20631.JPG
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[Foong Chen Hong]

I see, the padded coif is easy to get.

How well is they shoes/Boots designed?

[S. Sebok]

[Mart Shearer]

I just discovered another 13th century schynbald in a French Apocalypse in the Toulouse Bibliotheque, MS.815, fo.27v. They give the dating a very wide berth, 1220-1270, but the inclusion of the schynbald (with tabs) on the middle figure likely narrows this down to 1250-1270.

[W. Scott Brown]

During this period you could certainly see a mail coif covering the head, neck and shoulders. As for a "liner" I'm not sure, but a quilted linen arming cap worn under the mail would be correct, as would an arming cap worn under a cervelliere, with the mail worn over the top of both. Sometimes we even see the cervelliere worn over the mail coif.

As for footwear, in this period (1200's) you're pretty much limited to low-top turnshoes. None of those modern looking boots that cover the calf and no heels. I recommend Boots By Bohemond, but there are several places to get them.

http://www.bootsbybohemond.net/

The mail chauses were worn either covering the shoes, or sometimes I think they had a leather sole sewn directly to the chauses.


Scott

[Foong Chen Hong]

These shoes look great, though I already have my target set on this site's shoes

http://www.historicalitalianshoes.com/index.asp