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Ricardo S.
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 Posted: Tue 26 Mar, 2013 3:57 pm Post subject: Shark skin Falchion grip |
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Greetings. I'll make a medieval falchion and I'm thinking of wrapping the grip with sharkskin, crossing over twisted silver wire and small brass tacks at wire intersections. Could someone tell me if this would be historically grounded? Could Medieval Falchions have grips that way? Thank you.
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Luke Kramer
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I've heard of this being done in East Asian weapons, but not in European weapons from that period. Personally, I hope someone turns up a European example, because that would be really cool!
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Ricardo S.
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| Luke Kramer wrote: | | I've heard of this being done in East Asian weapons, but not in European weapons from that period. Personally, I hope someone turns up a European example, because that would be really cool! |
I see Luke. Thank you for telling me this. I appreciate any information i can get on Falchions. But i know of some medieval european swords having grips like this. I am posting an image i made on Photoshop that illustrate the grip. Hope that helps. Regards.
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Phil D.
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Could you list some of the links or sources regarding the Medieval European swords with shark skin grips of which you are aware. I for one would be very interested.
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Ricardo S.
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| Posted: Wed 27 Mar, 2013 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| Phil D. wrote: | | Could you list some of the links or sources regarding the Medieval European swords with shark skin grips of which you are aware. I for one would be very interested. |
Oh, I'm sorry Phil. I meant the overall decoration of the grip, with the interlaced silver wire and brass tacks. Grips bound with shark skin i do not know. But i have a book with a picture of an european medieval sword with a ray skin grip. The same ray skin used on katana swords. I believe the sword could be ceremonial or something like that. But i think grip materials were a question of personal choice. I really believe a fighting sword could have had a ray or shark skin grip. As the alleged sword of King Edward III, has a hilt wrapped in adder skin. I hope i can get any bit of historical background about shark skin use. The alleged sabre of Charlemagne has a ray skin grip (the skin is under the ferrules), yet some say the sabre is not entirely european! People often confuses the ray skin used on those grips with shark skin, but it is definitely ray skin.
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Radovan Geist
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Well, this one (from hermann historica) is from much later period, has grip covered by fish skin (at least that´s what the description says), so it´s probably not so relevant for your original question - but still it´s a beauty 
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Ricardo S.
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| Radovan Geist wrote: | | Well, this one (from hermann historica) is from much later period, has grip covered by fish skin (at least that´s what the description says), so it´s probably not so relevant for your original question - but still it´s a beauty |
Nice! Very interesting sword. Beautiful indeed. It is relevant in a sense that it has an unusual combination of organic materials. Fish skin and ivory. I wonder what kind of fish skin is that...
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Robert Môc
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Hello, here is other one from Hermann Historica dated 1480.
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Ricardo S.
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| Robert Môc wrote: | | Hello, here is other one from Hermann Historica dated 1480. |
WOW Robert,  This is precisely the sword in my book! The grip is ray skin.. Do you know from what auction it came from? Thank's for sharing.
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Ricardo S.
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Indeed! Another grip with ray skin cover Not medieval, but a fine reference nonetheless.
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Matt Corbin
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Here is a seax made by Patrick Barta with a ray skin grip. I'm not sure if he has a historical precedent for this, but it might be worth contacting him.
http://www.templ.net/english/weapons-antiquit...p#135-seax
And here is a sabre by Peter Johnsson also with a ray skin grip:
http://www.peterjohnsson.com/early-sabre/
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Ricardo S.
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Very interesting swords indeed. Thank you very much. I've just contacted Patrick and I hope that he answer me.
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Robert Môc
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Ricardo,I do not know what auktion is this.By the way,in book by Christian Miks is ancient Roman sword scabbad covered with shark skin.So I think,this material was used.
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Ricardo S.
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| Robert Môc wrote: | | Ricardo,I do not know what auktion is this.By the way,in book by Christian Miks is ancient Roman sword scabbad covered with shark skin.So I think,this material was used. |
I see. Thank you anyway.
Really? Very interesting indeed.
Yes, I think the same. This is a material that is quite suitable for sword handles, despite(as far as I know) the lack of evidence of shark skin grips. And I think we can have some certainty about the fact that grip materials were(in many cases) a matter of personal choice.
Thank you again for your help.
ps: by the way, do you have any pictures of the scabbard?
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