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Patrick Kelly
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Russ you're going to L-O-V-E this sword.
I had the opportunity to play with Peter's original last year, and spent some time looking at three of the Albion's last month. As I've said before, if I had to choose only one sword to own it would be this one regardless of period or style.
And yes I'm a wee bit envious as well 
"In valor there is hope.".................. Tacitus
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Joachim Nilsson
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| Posted: Thu 11 Nov, 2004 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| Howard Waddell wrote: | | Markus Haider wrote: | | Beautiful! I envy the future owners. How does it handle? And when will we see test-cutting with it? |
Like a dream, actually... amazingly light for such a heavy sword, and it just screams to cut something...
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Mhm... I know...
Whenever Peter brings his "original " with him, I'm on it like a drunken fly on really sticky fly-paper. "Love" isn't an adequate word when it comes to the Svante. And judging from the pictures the Albion Svante looks amazing.
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Russ Ellis
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| Posted: Thu 11 Nov, 2004 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| Patrick Kelly wrote: | Russ you're going to L-O-V-E this sword.
I had the opportunity to play with Peter's original last year, and spent some time looking at three of the Albion's last month. As I've said before, if I had to choose only one sword to own it would be this one regardless of period or style.
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Woo woo, when you AND Nathan are saying stuff like that it really gets my hopes up. It was a bit of a leap I'll have to admit when I looked at that price tag. I basically sold every single non Arms and Armor piece I own (with the exception of that Castlekeep type XII and the new Jacob Powning sword) plus a whole lot of scabbards to pay for it. Seeing the pictures it looks like I made the right call. That particular sword is my single favorite out of all historical examples I've seen so I didn't really have any choice in the matter. I'll bring it to Blade next year... (attempt to get Patrick to come...)
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Jeff Johnson
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Thank god that this one is from 30 years after my period!
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Patrick Kelly
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| Posted: Thu 11 Nov, 2004 10:57 am Post subject: |
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| Russ Ellis wrote: | | Patrick Kelly wrote: | Russ you're going to L-O-V-E this sword.
I had the opportunity to play with Peter's original last year, and spent some time looking at three of the Albion's last month. As I've said before, if I had to choose only one sword to own it would be this one regardless of period or style.
And yes I'm a wee bit envious as well |
Woo woo, when you AND Nathan are saying stuff like that it really gets my hopes up. It was a bit of a leap I'll have to admit when I looked at that price tag. I basically sold every single non Arms and Armor piece I own (with the exception of that Castlekeep type XII and the new Jacob Powning sword) plus a whole lot of scabbards to pay for it. Seeing the pictures it looks like I made the right call. That particular sword is my single favorite out of all historical examples I've seen so I didn't really have any choice in the matter. I'll bring it to Blade next year... (attempt to get Patrick to come...) |
I'm already planning on coming to Blade next year. With my daughter and her husband now living in Dalton it's a good excuse for a family vacation.
I say again, I *love* this sword. I would order one myself if it weren't for the financial considerations. I'd have to sell off half of my existing collection to do it. I've developed a definite focus for my collection and unfortunately the Svante doesn't really fill a clear nitch in the line-up. Consequently, butchering my collection to get one would really be going in the opposite direction. It does tempt me though.
"In valor there is hope.".................. Tacitus
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Russ Ellis
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| Posted: Thu 11 Nov, 2004 11:14 am Post subject: |
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| Patrick Kelly wrote: | | Russ Ellis wrote: | | Patrick Kelly wrote: | Russ you're going to L-O-V-E this sword.
I had the opportunity to play with Peter's original last year, and spent some time looking at three of the Albion's last month. As I've said before, if I had to choose only one sword to own it would be this one regardless of period or style.
And yes I'm a wee bit envious as well |
Woo woo, when you AND Nathan are saying stuff like that it really gets my hopes up. It was a bit of a leap I'll have to admit when I looked at that price tag. I basically sold every single non Arms and Armor piece I own (with the exception of that Castlekeep type XII and the new Jacob Powning sword) plus a whole lot of scabbards to pay for it. Seeing the pictures it looks like I made the right call. That particular sword is my single favorite out of all historical examples I've seen so I didn't really have any choice in the matter. I'll bring it to Blade next year... (attempt to get Patrick to come...) |
I'm already planning on coming to Blade next year. With my daughter and her husband now living in Dalton it's a good excuse for a family vacation.
I say again, I *love* this sword. I would order one myself if it weren't for the financial considerations. I'd have to sell off half of my existing collection to do it. I've developed a definite focus for my collection and unfortunately the Svante doesn't really fill a clear nitch in the line-up. Consequently, butchering my collection to get one would really be going in the opposite direction. It does tempt me though. |
That's great news! If we can get Mac to come again it will be very cool indeed! Yeah it was hard to let some of that stuff go, but I've found that it's true, that your collection eventually evolves towards the more expensive end of the spectrum. 
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Björn Hellqvist
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| Posted: Thu 11 Nov, 2004 11:56 am Post subject: |
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I've handled Peter's original on many occasions, and I must say that Albion's version is extremely faithful to it.
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Lee O'Hagan
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On the niches,
Could they be anything to do with an emergency monetary source,
gold/silver etc,
just a thought,
Also must add it's a fine looking sword,
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Patrick Kelly
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| Posted: Thu 11 Nov, 2004 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Lee O'Hagan wrote: | On the niches,
Could they be anything to do with an emergency monetary source,
gold/silver etc,
just a thought,
Also must add it's a fine looking sword, |
Peter and I discussed this last year when I saw his original recreation. Given the morals of the age I strongly suspect that there were some kind of religous icons in the reccesses. Can't say for sure of course but that's where I'd lay my money.
"In valor there is hope.".................. Tacitus
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Russ Ellis
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Sounds plausible, there's three of them so there are possibly trinity aspects as well...
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Patrick Kelly
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| Posted: Thu 11 Nov, 2004 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | That's great news! If we can get Mac to come again it will be very cool indeed! Yeah it was hard to let some of that stuff go, but I've found that it's true, that your collection eventually evolves towards the more expensive end of the spectrum. |
That's the bad thing about quality, it spoils you and you never want to go back. I think this sword will definetly raise your perception of a production sword. If I still had the haphazard "one of everything" collection that I used to I wouldn't hesitate to cull the herd. Alas, that isn't the case any longer. Anything I get rid of now would need to be replaced later.
I could open the gunsafe once again, but if I keep doing that sooner or later it will only be good for storing swords in 
"In valor there is hope.".................. Tacitus
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Lee O'Hagan
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Do you guys think the religous icons would be precious/semi precious material,
A sword of this quality would from the look of it have no expense spared in it's day,
Patrick wrote,
If I still had the haphazard "one of everything" collection that I used to I wouldn't hesitate to cull the herd. Alas, that isn't the case any longer.
Could be an interesting off topic thread,
stuff you've had and moved on for one reason or another and had second thoughts/couldnt post it quick enough,
I'l be looking forward to your thorough review on the mentioned sword and that fine JP sword you have Russ,
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Björn Hellqvist
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I believe that Peter speculated that if there had been figures in the niches, they were probably made in gilt silver or gold.
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Joachim Nilsson
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| Björn Hellqvist wrote: | | I've handled Peter's original on many occasions, and I must say that Albion's version is extremely faithful to it. |
It is quite magnificent, isn't it. A single day doesn't pass without me spending a couple of minutes dreaming about that sword.
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Lee O'Hagan
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Thanks Bjorn,
I wonder if anyone will follow up on having more detailing added,
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Gordon Frye
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Okay, for our Swedish Correspondents: Is this the same Svante Sture who, with his sons Nils and Erik, were murdered by King Erik XVth in Uppsala Castle in 1567? If so, you can see what the sons were wearing in Janet Arnold's book "Patterns of Fashion 1560-1620", since Sture's widow saved the clothing that they were wearing when killed. Mrs. Arnold drafted patterns from the clothing, and shows photographs of them in great detail. Here's the book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-...mp;s=books
Anyway, I have long wondered if the "Svante Sture" mentioned in both the Janet Arnold book, and the Sword, are one in the same. Thanks!
Gordon
"After God, we owe our victory to our Horses"
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Nathan Robinson
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| Posted: Thu 11 Nov, 2004 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Gordon Frye wrote: | Okay, for our Swedish Correspondents: Is this the same Svante Sture who, with his sons Nils and Erik, were murdered by King Erik XVth in Uppsala Castle in 1567? If so, you can see what the sons were wearing in Janet Arnold's book "Patterns of Fashion 1560-1620", since Sture's widow saved the clothing that they were wearing when killed. Mrs. Arnold drafted patterns from the clothing, and shows photographs of them in great detail. Here's the book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-...mp;s=books
Anyway, I have long wondered if the "Svante Sture" mentioned in both the Janet Arnold book, and the Sword, are one in the same. Thanks!
Gordon |
Gordon, my good friend Lynn McMasters created the clothing you mention from the patterns in the Janet Arnold book. Check out the Page on her Web site
Further, check out my own outfit she created; a noble Elizabethan genteman's.
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Gordon Frye
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| Posted: Thu 11 Nov, 2004 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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Nathan;
Actually, I already have! I was pretty much assuming that you were the same "Nathan Robinson" for whom she made that GREAT Noble's suit... man, that is HOT! Lynn McMasters seems to have managed to gain the rather unusual distinction of being both an excellent researcher AND an excellent tailor... a very rare combination. Sad to say most "period clothing" is pretty poor stuff, one way or another. It's a joy to see the exceptions to that!
I've seen a couple of excellent renditions of the Nils Sture suit, and in fact used the basic cut of the inner-leather hose for a pair of Landsknect hose I made a LONG time ago (1982, I think, LOL! My sister in law was a member of the Royal Costume Society and gave me a copy of the issue that had Janet Arnold's original research paper on the Nils Sture suit in it, from 1978 or so). What is cool too is that there are also some weapons belonging to Erik XV still extant... a beautiful pair of iron-stocked wheellock pistols for instance. (Not sure if there is a picture of them on the Net, but the book "Guns" by Dudley Pope has a great photograph of the pair).
At any rate, I'm glad to know that you are a gentleman of as fine a taste in clothing as you are in swords: I really couldn't get over that suit when I first found it a week or so ago. VERY, VERY Nice!
Thanks for the info!
Cheers,
Gordon
"After God, we owe our victory to our Horses"
Gonsalo Jimenez de Quesada
http://www.renaissancesoldier.com/
http://historypundit.blogspot.com/
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Peter Johnsson
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| Posted: Thu 11 Nov, 2004 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Gordon Frye wrote: | Okay, for our Swedish Correspondents: Is this the same Svante Sture who, with his sons Nils and Erik, were murdered by King Erik XVth in Uppsala Castle in 1567? If so, you can see what the sons were wearing in Janet Arnold's book "Patterns of Fashion 1560-1620", since Sture's widow saved the clothing that they were wearing when killed. Mrs. Arnold drafted patterns from the clothing, and shows photographs of them in great detail. Here's the book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-...mp;s=books
Anyway, I have long wondered if the "Svante Sture" mentioned in both the Janet Arnold book, and the Sword, are one in the same. Thanks!
Gordon |
Hi Gordon,
The murders of the father and sons Sture by the king Eric XIV is truly like a scene from MacBeth, only it did actually happen.
They were imprissoned in the castle of Uppsala and king Eric, in a fit of paranoia/madness (he was that type..) went and knifed one of the sons with his dagger. He could not finish the job but had one of the guards do it with a halberd...Then ordered the other killings to proceed.
King Eric was dethroned shortly afterwards by his brothers and locked away.
The victims were decendants of the Svante Nilsson Sture who was the regent of Sweden between 1504 and 1512. (the names Svante and Nils were used and reused by every generation in this family)
The clothes (with stab marks showing) are on display in the cathedral museum in Uppsala. If you ever happen to visit Uppsala, let me know and I´ll take you there.
There are some swords on display as well...
The swords of Gustav Vasa (the father of Eric XIV) and a rapier of Johan III (brother to Eric) are all in pretty good state of preservation.
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Russ Ellis
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Hey Peter,
Could you possibly expand on why you think the niches held religious icons and further why you think they might have been gold/silver gilt?
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