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Craig Johnson
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PostPosted: Fri 18 Feb, 2011 8:02 pm    Post subject: Caravaggio's Troubles interesting bit of sword history.         Reply with quote

This is a really interesting bit of early 17th C history and very sword related. I love the sketch of the rapier and dagger.

Also a nice reference to the use of permits to carry a sword and what kind of trouble a lad with a mean streak can get into no matter how talented one may be.
Caravaggio's Troubles
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PostPosted: Sat 19 Feb, 2011 3:17 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That is an interesting article. Even for those who have no interest in art history...

The sketch of the sword and dagger is a nice touch.



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PostPosted: Sat 19 Feb, 2011 4:47 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

PBS several years back ran a series of two hour specials on some of the historical great artists called The Power of Art and the piece on Caravaggio deals quite a bit with his criminal history with fighting and dueling. His works for Rome saved him on several occasions ( on others not, he was imprisoned several times ). A man of shining talent ( i've been a fan of his work for years ) and unsettled soul.
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PostPosted: Sat 19 Feb, 2011 5:48 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It was THE POWER OF ART by Simon Shama,a great documentarie,by a great bitish journalist.For history fans,i suffest to watch HISTORY OF ENGLAND,by the same author.In THE POWER OF ART,remarkable,it was the piece on REMBRANDT.
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PostPosted: Mon 21 Feb, 2011 3:03 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Heh. Caravaggio was so gangsta. Venice represent! *flips the fig*
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PostPosted: Mon 21 Feb, 2011 5:34 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Very cool...

Cellini's autobiography, which may be rather more fiction than he claims, attests to the violence of the Italian art scene. Happy

Here's a link to his book:
http://www.myArmoury.com/books/item.0199555311.html

He was a goldsmith. I will try to attach his salt cellar - among his more famous works.
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PostPosted: Mon 21 Feb, 2011 5:55 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Quote:
This is a really interesting bit of early 17th C history and very sword related. I love the sketch of the rapier and dagger.

Also a nice reference to the use of permits to carry a sword and what kind of trouble a lad with a mean streak can get into no matter how talented one may be.
Caravaggio's Troubles


Despite the numerous sword-related troubles, my favourite is still the assault of a waiter with a plate over the matter of whether artichokes were cooked in butter or in oil. Now that is really gangsta.
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PostPosted: Mon 21 Feb, 2011 7:22 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Craig,
thanks for providing that link! Such scraps of history are the doors to a more vivid picture of our past. I really enjoyed reading the police report of this genius like painter Caravaggio. He behaved as if he was some sort of punk back in his days. Today, he would spray graffiti on trains, I guess. Big Grin

Thomas

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PostPosted: Mon 21 Feb, 2011 1:43 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Simon G. wrote:
... my favourite is still the assault of a waiter with a plate over the matter of whether artichokes were cooked in butter or in oil. Now that is really gangsta.


Dude, don't mess with my artichokes or I'll cut 'ya.

That was very interesting, amusing and educational , thank you!

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PostPosted: Mon 21 Feb, 2011 1:52 pm    Post subject: Hmmm?         Reply with quote

Thomas R. wrote:
Hi Craig,
thanks for providing that link! Such scraps of history are the doors to a more vivid picture of our past. I really enjoyed reading the police report of this genius like painter Caravaggio. He behaved as if he was some sort of punk back in his days. Today, he would spray graffiti on trains, I guess. Big Grin

Thomas


That was the first thing I though of as well, but then it occurred to me this fellows talents where such that he was supported/protected and reviled by the power elite of his day. So an analogy to a high profile Athlete/ Rock Star or Hedge Fund Guru might be a more inline with how he fit in. No offense to any well behaved Athlete/Rock Star or Hedge Fund Guru out there, I figure there has to be at least one of you that the media is ignoring Eek!

I always fin it interesting how we have these views of the past as being civil societies or not and how we tend to look at ourselves as different from the past. Maybe not so much! With the calls for more civility and such on our society I hear little about what actually makes that happen. Each individual taking responsibility for themselves, not getting hung up on what someone else may do.

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PostPosted: Tue 08 Mar, 2011 9:23 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Danielle Skjelver wrote:
Cellini's autobiography, which may be rather more fiction than he claims, attests to the violence of the Italian art scene. Happy


There's a free version available online, too:

http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/4028

One of my first Project Gutenberg downloads ever. Never regretted it for a single moment even though I busted the bill on the dial-up connection I had back then.
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