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PostPosted: Sat 16 Oct, 2010 7:32 am    Post subject: Extant 15th century Milanese armour         Reply with quote

A quick overview of extant Milanese more or less complete armours (and some cuirasses) in various museums and collections around the world. Before I started to collect these pictures together I had no idea there were so many of them. Most of the pictures are bad black and white scans, so I apologize for the quality.

Literature:

Lionello Boccia - Le armature di S. Maria delle Grazie di Curtatone di Mantova e l'armatura lombarda del '400 (1982)
Trapp, Oswald, Graff & Scalini, Mario & Wackernagel, Rudolph H. & Eaves Ian - The Armoury of the Castle of Churburg (1996)
Alan Williams - The Knight and the Blast Furnace (2003)
etc.

The list:

1410 - 1415 Churburg (Italy) CH 18
1440 - 1445 Glasgow (UK) AGM 39-65e, AVANT, ex Churburg CH 20, composite
1445 - 1450 Firenze (Italy) Bargello R20
1445 - 1450 Churburg (Italy) CH 19, armour of Ulrich IX von Matsch, Graf von Kirchberg
1450 - 1460 Mantova (Italy) Museo Diocesano B1, from S.Maria delle Grazie di Curtatone
1450 - Churburg (Italy) CH 21 - armour of count Galeazzo d'Arco
1450 - Berlin (Germany) Klingbeil collection
1451 - Vienna (Austria) - WS A 2, French style, armour of Frederick I , Count Palatine of the Rhine (Frederich der Siegreiche)
1455 - Bern (Switzerland) BHM SBZ102 - Historisches Museum, partially lost
1460 - 1465 Le Landeron (Switzerland), HV 837-840
1460 - 1480 Mantova (Italy) Museo Diocesano B2, from S.Maria delle Grazie di Curtatone, composite
1460 - New York (USA) Metropolitan Museum, De Dino Collection Armor, composite, restored, removed from exhibit
1465 - 1470 Lucerne (Switzerland) HM 11
1465 - 1470 Schwabisch-Gmund (Germany), SM I. 47-76, from Heiligekreuzkirche
1470 - Berlin (Germany) Klingbeil collection
1470 - 1490 Mantova (Italy) Museo Diocesano B3, from S.Maria delle Grazie di Curtatone, coposite
1480 - 1485 Vienna (Austria) WS A3, armour of Roberto di Sanseverino, count of Caiazzo
1480 - 1490 Paris (France) - Musée de l’Armée G4, Garniture d’Armure
1480 - 1490 Mantova (Italy) Museo Diocesano B4, from S.Maria delle Grazie di Curtatone, composite
1485 - 1490 Udine (Italy) "Devil’s Armour" (armatura da uomo d'arme del Diavolo), Basilica Beata Vergine delle Grazie
1490 -1495 Vienna WS A111, armour of Gianfrancesco Gonzaga I., count of Rodigo and Sabbioneta
1490 - 1500 Vienna (Austria) KHM, armour of Ferdinand II of Aragon
1490 - 1500 Mantova (Italy) Museo Diocesano B5, from S.Maria delle Grazie di Curtatone, composite
1495 - Vienna (Austria) WS B33, armour of Claude de Vaudrey
1500 - Zurich (Switzerland) LM 4955 - remains
1505 - 1510 Vienna (Austria) WS11, armour of Giano II di Campofregoso, duke of Genova
1510 Mantova (Italy) Museo Diocesano B6, from S.Maria delle Grazie di Curtatone, composite
1510 Torino, AR B19, Armeria Reale, remains


Part I.

1410 - 1415 Churburg (Italy) CH 18, composite, master O and master T
Helmet - Milano, Bazarino di Trezzo?, 1425 - 1430, Churburg CH 18


1440 - 1445 Glasgow (UK) AGM 39-65e, AVANT, ex Churburg CH 20, composite
Mialno, Giovanni Corio, Ambrogio Corio, Bellino Corio, Dionisio Corio, Giovanni da Garavalle
Helmet by Provasio di Milano, ex CH T57, c. 1470


1445 - 1450 Firenze (Italy) Bargello R20
Milano, Antonio Foppa?


1445 - 1450 Churburg (Italy) CH 19, armour of Ulrich IX von Matsch, Graf von Kirchberg
Milano, Pier Innocenzo da Faerno, Antonio Missaglia, Giovanni Negroli


1450 - 1460 Mantova (Italy) Museo Diocesano B1, from S.Maria delle Grazie di Curtatone
Milano, Giacomo Cantoni?, maestro Biagio per Giovanni Spanzotti?, Giovanni Maffioli?


1450 - Churburg (Italy) CH 21, armour of count Galeazzo d'Arco
Milano, Tommaso Negroni (Missaglia)


1450 - Berlin (Germany) Klingbeil collection


1451 - Vienna (Austria) WS A 2, French style - armour of Frederick I , Count Palatine of the Rhine (Frederich der Siegreiche)
Milano, Tommaso Negroni (Missaglia), Pier Innocenzo da Faerno, Antonio Missaglia


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Part II.

1455 - Bern (Switzerland) BHM SBZ102 - Historisches Museum, partially lost
Milano, Antonio Missaglia and other


1460 - 1465 Le Landeron (Switzerland), HV 837-840
Milano, maestro Biagio per Giovanni Spanzotti?


1460 - 1480 Mantova (Italy), Museo Diocesano B2, from S.Maria delle Grazie di Curtatone, composite
Brescia, Pietro da Castello; Milano, Bernardino Cantoni?, Giovanni da Castello?, Cristoforo Capelli?


1460 - New York (USA) Metropolitan Museum, De Dino Collection Armor, composite, restored, removed from exhibit


1465 - 1470 Lucerne (Switzerland) HM 11
Milano, Bernardino di Carnago


1465 - 1470 Schwabisch-Gmund (Germany), SM I. 47-76, from Heiligekreuzkirche
Milano, Antonio Seroni, Marcolo da Lemidi?, Christoforo Odoni, Antonio Armaroli?


1470 - Berlin (Germany) Klingbeil collection


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Part III.


1470 - 1490 Mantova (Italy), Museo Diocesano B3, from S.Maria delle Grazie di Curtatone, composite
Milano, Antonio Missaglia, Giovanni Antonio delle Fibbie; Brescia, Ambrogio de Osma?


1480 - 1485 Vienna (Austria) WS A3, armour of Roberto di Sanseverino, count of Caiazzo
Milano, Giovan Pietro Carnago, Bernardino Carnago, Giovanni Salimbeni, Antonio Missaglia; Brescia, Zannetto Ferrari; Venezia?, Albertino Vimercate?


1480 - 1490 Paris (France), Musée de l’Armée G4, Garniture d’Armure


1480 - 1490 Mantova (Italy), Museo Diocesano B4, from S.Maria delle Grazie di Curtatone, composite
Brescia, Pietro da Castello; Milano, Cristoforo Capelli


1485 - 1490 Udine (Italy), "Devil’s Armour" (armatura da uomo d'arme del Diavolo), Basilica Beata Vergine delle Grazie
Milano, Bernardino Cantoni?, Giovanni Pampuri?, Giovanni Antonio d'Albairate?


1490 -1495 Vienna (Austria), WS A111, armour of Gianfrancesco Gonzaga I., count of Rodigo and Sabbioneta, or Rodolfo Gonzaga, marquis of Castiglione delle Stiviere
Lombardy


1490 - 1500 Vienna (Austria), KHM, armour of Ferdinand II of Aragon


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Part IV.

1490 - 1500 Mantova – Museo Diocesano B5, from S.Maria delle Grazie di Curtatone, composite
Brescia, Pietro Giacomo da Castello; Milano?


1495 - Wien WS B33, armour of Claude de Vaudrey
Milano, Giov. Marco Meraviglia, Damiano Missaglia


1500 - Zurich (Switzerland) LM 4955 - remains
Arbois, Francesco da Merate


1505 - 1510 Wien WS11, armour of Giano II di Campofregoso, duke of Genova
Milano


1510 Mantova – Museo Diocesano B6, from S.Maria delle Grazie di Curtatone, composite
Lombardy, Milano?


1510 Torino, AR B19, Armeria Reale, remains
Milano, Michele da Figino?


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PostPosted: Sat 16 Oct, 2010 8:11 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Wonderful post! As a milanese style fanatic, thank you.
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Oct, 2010 8:17 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Now I'm waiting for somebody to make the same thing for German Gothic armour. No, really! Confused

I have to confess I copied most of the list from Alberto Riccadonna's post on Arms and Armour Forum, and I looked for the rest in "Le armature di S. Maria delle Grazie " by Lionello Boccia, it has a nice overview of extant Milanese armours. I have no idea where to start with German Gothic armours though...


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Lorenz helmschmied in the Kunsthistoriches. Also look up Kolman Helmscmied, Desiderius Helmschmied, and others which I can recommend later. I'm an Augsburg fan.
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Nice work Blaz! Thanks for the pics.
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Oct, 2010 11:15 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thank you for the pictures! I've really been looking into getting a milanese harness made, and these pictures are a wonderful collection! Thank you for taking the time collecting them.
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Oct, 2010 12:12 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

An invaluable resource! Thanks so much for assembling all of this information. I'm sure it will help a lot of people, myself included. I've got a soft sport for Milanese styles.
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By the way- does anyone have a close up pics of the armet from this armour?


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PostPosted: Sat 16 Oct, 2010 1:02 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hey Blaz thank for these great pics. IMHO gothic style armour gets too much attention, while milanese stuff doesn't get enough. Hopefuly this thread will aid in changing that.
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Oct, 2010 2:48 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Better forget the de Dino harness. It was removed from display maybe 20 years ago or so, as its components had been so heavily altered or were just flat-out 'restored' (antique dealer's jargon for new stuff replacing missing old stuff) that it was not considered fit to present as a genuine example. Since the Met is an art museum, I think they should have just labeled it 19th century with much old reworked material. Wink I kind of like it, and that would be better than not seeing it at all!
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Oct, 2010 3:51 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Blaz, what a great resource - thanks!

Blaz Berlec wrote:
Now I'm waiting for somebody to make the same thing for German Gothic armour. No, really! Confused


Me too! Anyone want to give it a go?

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Oct, 2010 5:55 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Is this Milanese? It was made for Claude de Vaudrey between 1495 and 1500. It is at the Kunsthistorisches museum in Vienna.


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PostPosted: Sat 16 Oct, 2010 11:26 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Looks like it to me Adam.
A foot combat armour perhaps?

Also, does anyone else think it reminds them of a 'Big Daddy' or is that just me? Laughing Out Loud

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PostPosted: Sun 17 Oct, 2010 12:58 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks! I know this armour, I've watched (and photographed it) last summer. Added.

Yeah, I think they usually don't list it under Milanese armours since it is of very distinctive shape - Fußkampf armour, French style. Happy There's also B 71 suit by it from 1508, but that is even more "non 15th century looking" and made in Burgundy, so won't add it for now.

Michal, sorry, I have absolutely no other info on Klingenberg or Klingbeil private collection. But this is the photo of it, some bloke has all of this for himself:



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Edited for added literature, info about armourers and general editing of info about armours.

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Blaz, thank you for taking the time to put together a very nice exhibition!

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Michal, sorry, I have absolutely no other info on Klingenberg or Klingbeil private collection. But this is the photo of it, some bloke has all of this for himself:
Eek! I certainly hope that this private collector allows academics access to his/her collection. There is too much here to be locked away from the public.

I have a practical question on the wearing and fit of this type of armour. It seems that the pauldron lames overlap a little bit to provide full coverage of the back. Has anyone on the forum worn this type of armour in rebated steel or rattan combat? Do the lames ever catch on each other as you move your arms about?

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I believe the owner of the Klingbeil Collection, which included the sword of Edward III, may have passed away in the last few years or might have been selling off his collection. I remember seeing that his collection could come up for sale. It's absolutely incredible.
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