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Felix Dale




Location: wales (only studying here)
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PostPosted: Mon 16 Aug, 2010 2:47 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Big Grin thanks for all the feedback.
I'll try to get my nroman reenactment society to accept it. after all, if they are willing to have a knights templar and a hospitaler sitting in england/wales why shouldnt there be a kettle helm?

Thats what being a gentleman is all about!
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Craig L.




PostPosted: Wed 01 Sep, 2010 10:13 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chuck Russell wrote:
the famous hummingbird kettle hat? Wink i think they are a 15th bird as it were. I don't have any pictures of the actual one on hand [...]

Found this period art on imareal tonight, and remembered the hummingbird reference in this thread.
The image is interesting on a number of fronts, actually... helmet, sword, armour.

Here is the Google translation of the accompanying text:
Martyrdom of St. Ursula and the eleven thousand virgins; founder, foundress
Art: painting Tempera-wood furnishings sacred; altar; Bruneck, Ursula :03:005-009
Documentation: 1448, 1448, Innsbruck, Austria, Tirol, National Ferdinandeum; IN 4
Notes: 123.3 x98, 4; Sonnenburg; catalog of paintings, 1928, 24, Paul Naredi-Rainer, Lukas Madersbacher, arts in Tirol, Innsbruck-Wien 2007, Volume 1, p. 519f.


Sorry though... definitely 15th-C in this case.

Cheers,
Craig



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Craig Peters




PostPosted: Thu 02 Sep, 2010 10:08 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

In the Wikipedia page on kettle hats, it states "[t]hey were first produced (as reported in Documentaria Anglo, 1478) in England around 1011, 55 years before the famous Battle of Hastings." If you look, you might also noticed that several webpages selling lower end European helmets have plagiarized this line verbatim from Wikipedia. WTF?!

But, is there any actual indication that this claim is true? Realistically, there's no way that someone writing during the late 15th century could be reliably informed about armour at the turn of the 11th century unless they had some earlier manuscript, now lost, from which they made their statement. What does the passage in question from the Documentaria Anglo actually say?
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