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John O'Connor




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PostPosted: Sat 02 Apr, 2011 4:43 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Beautiful sword. How does it handed with the complex guard? I mean shifting grips, etc.

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PostPosted: Sun 24 Apr, 2011 11:16 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

John O'Connor wrote:
Beautiful sword. How does it handed with the complex guard? I mean shifting grips, etc.


I've been meaning to photograph the hilt in the hand, but have not had time to properly set up for a shot like that. It' snot as easy to shoot a photo of myself with both hands gripping a sword and no assistant!

Attached are photographs of an antique sword with a similar hilt that have been sent to me recently. As you can see, the sword is of hand-and-a-half proportions and allows about as much flexibility as any compound-hilted longsword would. As with other longswords, the thumb can be used on the quillon block as well as used to grasp the thumb-ring.



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PostPosted: Mon 25 Apr, 2011 2:46 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks for the pic Nathan.
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PostPosted: Mon 25 Apr, 2011 8:26 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

To give a better impression of the sword's size, here are some snapshots of it with these other pieces:

Phoenix Metal Creations Hand-and-a-Half Sword
Arms & Armor Custom Swiss Saber
Arms & Armor Custom German Bastard Sword





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PostPosted: Tue 17 Jul, 2012 11:47 am    Post subject: Re: EBE South German Longsword         Reply with quote

Actually this is not a longsword. A longsword has a double-edged blade, and actually if this had a double-edged blade it would be a side-sword. Since it is single-edged, it is a backsword. Trust me - I've studied day and night (literally) and learned to classify almost every sword there is, and written an encyclopedia of swords.
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PostPosted: Tue 17 Jul, 2012 12:27 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It certainly IS a longsword.

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PostPosted: Tue 17 Jul, 2012 10:17 pm    Post subject: Re: EBE South German Longsword         Reply with quote

Wesley Nilsen wrote:
Actually this is not a longsword. A longsword has a double-edged blade, and actually if this had a double-edged blade it would be a side-sword. Since it is single-edged, it is a backsword. Trust me - I've studied day and night (literally) and learned to classify almost every sword there is, and written an encyclopedia of swords.


Wesley, with all due respect, I think you'll find that the historical view of terminology was not nearly so cut and dry as the modern view. (and you'll find that there are plenty of people on this board who are quite the experts of etymology!) For example, there's technically no such thing as a "sidesword" (spada da lato), as this is a modern term that was invented based on a misunderstanding of a phrase from Marozzo (where he mentions a generic sword at the side, but was misinterpreted to mean a specific type of sword). The Italians of the time never used that term, but instead used either the word "spada" (sword) or occassionally "spada da filo" (edge sword).

And the historical definition of longsword does not have anything to do with how many edges the weapon has. In fact, the historical definition, by all accounts, seems to only require that a longsword should be [unsurprisingly] long. Some historical references define a longsword as a single handed weapon (such as George Silver's 16th century treatise on martial arts), so we really can't generalize too much without accepting the fact that we would be imposing modern definitions on historical items.

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