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Nathan Robinson
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Jason Elrod
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This is a wonderful update. I just want to say thank you to Alexi and the myArmoury team for giving us access to Bruhn Hoffmeyer's typology.
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Jonathan Blair
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If swords were cars, the Bruhn-Hoffmeyer typology comes across like this:
"Group I automobiles are red with long hoods and molded in color bumpers
Group II automobiles are blue with short hoods and chrome bumpers"
Whereas the Oakeshott typology is more like:
"Group X automobiles are compact coupes with big block engines greater than 300 cubic inches and rear wheel drives. Subgroup Xa cars have front wheel drives instead of rear wheel drives.
Group XI automobiles are subcompact coupes with small engines less than or equal to 300 cubic inches and rear wheel drives. Again, subgroup XIa cars have front wheel drives instead of rear wheel drives."
Just an observation.
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." - The Lord Jesus Christ, from The Gospel According to Saint Matthew, chapter x, verse 34, Authorized Version of 1611
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Chad Arnow
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The Bruhn-Hoffmeyer typology is an example of people getting fixated on the hilt. It's not alone in being a typology of that kind.
For me, it reinforces how nifty Oakeshott's system of classifying all the parts then using that to place a sword in context really is. The Bruhn-Hoffmeyer system was one that needed to be superseded in my opinion.
ChadA
http://chadarnow.com/
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Jean Thibodeau
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Only had a quick look at the typology article and although one can disagree with a typology neglecting blade shapes and only considering hilt shape it does make interesting reading and valuable in cross referencing with the Oakshott typology.
Also congratulations to Michael Harley for the really great illustrations ( don't forget to clic on the line drawings to see the fully shaded and really clear and beautiful drawings: Since I did one of these illustration jobs a while back for " myArmoury " for the Japanese armour article I can fully appreciate the very VERY long hours of work involved in producing these drawings.  
I will have to take the time to read the Polish armies article later tonight but just skimming it, it seems very interesting.
You can easily give up your freedom. You have to fight hard to get it back!
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Timo Nieminen
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Bruhn-Hoffmeyer and Oakeshott classification are for different purposes.
Oakeshott is intended to relate to the type of sword in a function senseal.
Bruhn-Hoffmeyer is simpler, based on fewer elements, can be used to classify swords when the blade is very badly corroded, or from photos where the blade section cannot be recognised. Bruhn-Hoffmeyer will work as a substitute for photos of that quality, with less space and typesetting effort. It's also no more useful than photos of that quality, so it isn't much more useful to a sword enthusiast than "red sedan" is for a car enthusiast. "Superseded" shouldn't be the right word, but given that, in practice, something like Bruhn-Hoffmeyer will be overused and misused if nothing else is available and known, it might be the right word, at least for the misuse of Bruhn-Hoffmeyer.
"In addition to being efficient, all pole arms were quite nice to look at." - Cherney Berg, A hideous history of weapons, Collier 1963.
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Patrik Erik Lars Lindblom
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Neil Langley
Location: Stockport, UK Joined: 23 Jan 2006
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| Jason Elrod wrote: | | This is a wonderful update. I just want to say thank you to Alexi and the myArmoury team for giving us access to Bruhn Hoffmeyer's typology. |
I could not put it any better! Thank you indeed.
Neil.
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Michael Harley
Location: Melbourne, Australia Joined: 12 Apr 2006
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Thank you for the very kind comment Jean, it was a pleasure to give something back to a site that has given me so much over the years.
Here's to the next seven years,
Michael.
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Jean Thibodeau
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| Michael Harley wrote: | Thank you for the very kind comment Jean, it was a pleasure to give something back to a site that has given me so much over the years.
Here's to the next seven years,
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Well it is a very well appreciate contribution as the drawings are really great and although doing one might not take a huge amount of time doing them all was I'm sure an important commitment of your time.
Very clean and precise which is as important as being attractive drawings.
Also I shouldn't forget to thank Alexi Goranov for the research and article.
Oh, also just read the very good Polish Armies article and it is very interesting, so also congratualtions and thanks to George Gush. 
You can easily give up your freedom. You have to fight hard to get it back!
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Michal Plezia
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It is great to see the article about Polish Armies from the Poland's greatest period Thanks for publishing it!
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Polish Guild of Knifemakers
The sword is a weapon for killing, the art of the sword is the art of killing. No matter what fancy words you use or what titles you put to
it that is the only truth.
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Nathan Robinson
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This is a standard topic
