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Lucas Simms
Location: Washington Joined: 14 Mar 2010
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 Posted: Mon 29 Mar, 2010 8:16 am Post subject: Attaching munions to an almain collar |
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Does anyone know exactly how munions were attached to the gorget in an almain collar assembly?
thank you
Lucas
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Hugo H
Location: Hollywood,FL Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon 29 Mar, 2010 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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Hello
I found this at Mercenary's Tailor. Looks like it's attached underneath the gorget with rivets.
Almain collar refers to an assembly of gorget and long spaulders called munnions attached directly to the gorget forming a complete unit and seeming to have been developed in Germany sometime in the mid 16th century. The armoury at Graz has literally thousands of these assemblies. Using the historical original munnion in our gallery we have developed a set of Almain collar
Hugo
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_inf...rp8bk26oi2
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Allan Senefelder
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Randall Moffett
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Allan,
I cannot get your link to work for me.
Lucas,
I cannot find pictures but I have seen at least two systems. One with leathers and one where it is on just a post like part.
I could not find pictures sadly that show this though.
RPM
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Allan Senefelder
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Lucas Simms
Location: Washington Joined: 14 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Tue 30 Mar, 2010 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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that's the first photo I've seen of the inside of one of those things
I can't thank you enough 
by the way, the lames on a munion seem to be attached to each other via sliding rivets on one side and by leather strips one the other side
why does the construction look the same on both sides on the "outside" surface of the munions
(looks like each lame is attached to the next lame via 2 rivets)
is the leather strip the sole means of holding the other side of the munion together?
If so,what are the rivets on that side for?
sorry if the description is unclear
Lucas
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Allan Senefelder
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Lucas, the front rivets are blind. The rivets don't pass through both plates but only the outside plate and piened to fill the hole. There are paired holes used initially during the forming process, but when final assembly is done, since articulation is on leathers on the front, the outside hole is filled with a rivet, the inside hole is used to secure the leather for articulation. The back needs only slot riveted articulation as you can only move your arms 20-25 degrees backward from shoulder to elbow, but humans have the ability to effectively hug themselves around the front so comperssion leather articulation is needed to allow for this, the plates being able to telescope together in compression.
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Lucas Simms
Location: Washington Joined: 14 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Tue 30 Mar, 2010 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Allan Senefelder wrote: | | Lucas, the front rivets are blind. The rivets don't pass through both plates but only the outside plate and piened to fill the hole. There are paired holes used initially during the forming process, but when final assembly is done, since articulation is on leathers on the front, the outside hole is filled with a rivet, the inside hole is used to secure the leather for articulation. The back needs only slot riveted articulation as you can only move your arms 20-25 degrees backward from shoulder to elbow, but humans have the ability to effectively hug themselves around the front so comperssion leather articulation is needed to allow for this, the plates being able to telescope together in compression. |
thanks
This might be a bit off the subject but is the same construction used on 1550's infantry tassets ("black and white" suits)?
Lucas
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Allan Senefelder
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Lucas Simms
Location: Washington Joined: 14 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Tue 30 Mar, 2010 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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thanks for the third time
Lucas
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This is a standard topic