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Geoff Wood
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| Patrick Kelly wrote: | | Geoff Wood wrote: | Lovely picture. Maybe I should get that book. I'd probably call that a D, but whatever you call it, its a looker.
gw |
I highly recommend this book. It's a long overdue addition to the field, and a must have for anyone with an interest in Viking swords. |
......... and Amazon UK tell me it's out in paperback from September.
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William Goodwin
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| Posted: Sun 18 Jul, 2004 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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If the Squire line Type XVa will be anything close to the First Gen - Agincourt model,
then I know that will be the one I'll order.
Now, will this line be at a limited quantity or time offer, or will this be a permanent addition
to the Albion line-up? The reason I ask, is that, it will be next year before my budget will allow
to do so.
William
aka Bill
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Kirk Lee Spencer
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| Posted: Sun 18 Jul, 2004 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Geoff Wood wrote: | Lovely picture. Maybe I should get that book. I'd probably call that a D, but whatever you call it, its a looker.
gw |
Hi Geoff...
Peirce calls it "distinctive type 1." I am assuming this is a distinctive type of the D hilt. Considering the general shape (especially the thickening of the upper part of the pommel cap) I believe you are right... It's not a type H. However, I think the extra size of this type D might help balance out (visually and in terms of mass) a wide blade, especially if it is a Geibig 4 blade like on the NexGen Gotland.
p.s. Peirce's book is well worth the money... especially in paperback.
ks
Two swords
Lit in Eden’s flame
One of iron and one of ink
To place within a bloody hand
One of God or one of man
Our souls to one of
Two eternities
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Jason Dingledine
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| Posted: Sun 18 Jul, 2004 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| William Goodwin wrote: | Now, will this line be at a limited quantity or time offer, or will this be a permanent addition
to the Albion line-up? |
The Squire Line of swords will be a permanent addition the to Albion ranks.  Cheers.
Jason Dingledine
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Tom Wegener
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| Posted: Sun 18 Jul, 2004 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry Mr. Berlec , no offence was intended .
When one of the 17 Jappaneas survivors of Tarawa was asked if thier moral ever started to break he replied " Yes ,, when the dieing Marines kept coming and coming . "
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Blaz Berlec
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| Posted: Mon 19 Jul, 2004 10:49 am Post subject: |
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None taken. I'm really not into politics or nationalism where it would matter.
| Kirk Lee Spencer wrote: | p.s. Peirce's book is well worth the money... especially in paperback.
ks |
Didn't know it's out already. Paperback version of course. Boydell press and Amazon both state September 1. 2004 as release date. And my calendar isn't there yet. Sadly.  For 40$ (original price) or even 27$ from Amazon it seems a bargain!
Extant 15th Century German Gothic Armour
Extant 15th century Milanese armour
Arming doublet of the 15th century
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Kirk Lee Spencer
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| Posted: Mon 19 Jul, 2004 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Blaz Berlec wrote: |
| Kirk Lee Spencer wrote: | p.s. Peirce's book is well worth the money... especially in paperback.
ks |
Didn't know it's out already. Paperback version of course. Boydell press and Amazon both state September 1. 2004 as release date. And my calendar isn't there yet. Sadly. For 40$ (original price) or even 27$ from Amazon it seems a bargain! |
Hi Blaz...
Did not mean to imply it was out yet... Just assumed that it would be cheaper in paperback.
ks
Two swords
Lit in Eden’s flame
One of iron and one of ink
To place within a bloody hand
One of God or one of man
Our souls to one of
Two eternities
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Howard Waddell
Industry Professional
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| Posted: Mon 19 Jul, 2004 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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As promised, here are Peter's initial sketches of the four Squire line models, from left to right:
The Viking (Type H hilt, one piece pommel, Geibig 4 blade) -- $300
13th C Knightly Sword (Type XII) -- $300
13th C Great Sword (Type XIIa) -- $350
15th C Bastard Sword (Type XVa) -- $350
Best,
Howy
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Albion Swords Ltd
http://albion-swords.com
http://filmswords.com
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Gary Grzybek
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| Posted: Mon 19 Jul, 2004 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Howard Waddell wrote: | As promised, here are Peter's initial sketches of the four Squire line models, from left to right:
The Viking (Type H hilt, one piece pommel, Geibig 4 blade) -- $300
13th C Knightly Sword (Type XII) -- $300
13th C Great Sword (Type XIIa) -- $350
15th C Bastard Sword (Type XVa) -- $350
Best,
Howy |
As usual they look great Howard. 
I'm a little concerned about the point of the bastard sword because it looks mighty naughty for any martial arts training. Will it be more blunt that the sketch actually shows?
Gary Grzybek
ARMA Northern N.J.
www.armastudy.org
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Geoff Wood
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| Posted: Mon 19 Jul, 2004 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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Mr Waddell
Lovely drawings from Peter as usual. Any estimate yet of the additional cost for sharpening?
Regards
Geoff Wood
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Bill Grandy
myArmoury Team
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| Posted: Mon 19 Jul, 2004 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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That XVa is really speaking to me!
Though I do have to echo Gary's concern about the tip in the illustration.
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Jean Thibodeau
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| Posted: Mon 19 Jul, 2004 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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Really great idea to have practice swords that have almost the same handling as the more finished line(s).
Just because the finish is less refined & the price less intimidating does not mean that they should be abused: But minor nicks and scratches (From use) would be acceptable if you consider these the same way you would working tools, the same way one does not get upset seeing scratches on a hammer.
Also restauring the finish should be easy.
Another good thing is that "Aging" one of these would be a "Sane" option, as opposed to doing the same to the "Next Generation line: What is the point paying for all the extra work to produce a supperior finish if you are only going to distress it anyway!?
Another plus is that buying them all or at least 2 or 3 would be affordable.
Question for M.Waddell: Would it be possible to have very low price "Storage" scabbards for these ?
To keep the price down & to not compete with the "Campaign" scabbards these could be some sort of plastic simulating leather covered wood? At least for sharpened versions, I hate having a "Sharp" sword just leaning "Naked" in a corner!
You can easily give up your freedom. You have to fight hard to get it back!
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Howard Waddell
Industry Professional
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| Posted: Tue 20 Jul, 2004 3:23 am Post subject: |
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| Gary Grzybek wrote: | | Howard Waddell wrote: | As promised, here are Peter's initial sketches of the four Squire line models, from left to right:
The Viking (Type H hilt, one piece pommel, Geibig 4 blade) -- $300
13th C Knightly Sword (Type XII) -- $300
13th C Great Sword (Type XIIa) -- $350
15th C Bastard Sword (Type XVa) -- $350
Best,
Howy |
As usual they look great Howard.
I'm a little concerned about the point of the bastard sword because it looks mighty naughty for any martial arts training. Will it be more blunt that the sketch actually shows? |
Hey Gary!
I think that Peter's drawing gives the more idealized look to the point -- for WMA practice these would be blunted (almost rounded) tips, whereas swords requested sharpened would have more pointy tips.
Best,
Howy
Albion Swords Ltd
http://albion-swords.com
http://filmswords.com
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Howard Waddell
Industry Professional
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| Posted: Tue 20 Jul, 2004 3:25 am Post subject: |
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| Geoff Wood wrote: | Mr Waddell
Lovely drawings from Peter as usual. Any estimate yet of the additional cost for sharpening?
Regards
Geoff Wood |
Hey Geoff!
We haven't timed this out yet, but I would assume it would be around our regular charge of $25-$30, depending on the length of the sword.
Best,
Howy
Albion Swords Ltd
http://albion-swords.com
http://filmswords.com
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Howard Waddell
Industry Professional
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| Posted: Tue 20 Jul, 2004 3:27 am Post subject: |
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| Jean Thibodeau wrote: |
Question for M.Waddell: Would it be possible to have very low price "Storage" scabbards for these ?
To keep the price down & to not compete with the "Campaign" scabbards these could be some sort of plastic simulating leather covered wood? At least for sharpened versions, I hate having a "Sharp" sword just leaning "Naked" in a corner! |
We are looking into this -- it may be possible to offer something affordable. I'll keep you updated.
Best,
Howy
Albion Swords Ltd
http://albion-swords.com
http://filmswords.com
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Gary Grzybek
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| Posted: Tue 20 Jul, 2004 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| Howard Waddell wrote: | | Gary Grzybek wrote: | | Howard Waddell wrote: | As promised, here are Peter's initial sketches of the four Squire line models, from left to right:
The Viking (Type H hilt, one piece pommel, Geibig 4 blade) -- $300
13th C Knightly Sword (Type XII) -- $300
13th C Great Sword (Type XIIa) -- $350
15th C Bastard Sword (Type XVa) -- $350
Best,
Howy |
As usual they look great Howard.
I'm a little concerned about the point of the bastard sword because it looks mighty naughty for any martial arts training. Will it be more blunt that the sketch actually shows? |
Hey Gary!
I think that Peter's drawing gives the more idealized look to the point -- for WMA practice these would be blunted (almost rounded) tips, whereas swords requested sharpened would have more pointy tips.
Best,
Howy |
That makes sense, thank you for clarifying something that should have been more obvious to me 
Gary Grzybek
ARMA Northern N.J.
www.armastudy.org
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Joachim Nilsson
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| Posted: Tue 20 Jul, 2004 6:31 am Post subject: |
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| Howard Waddell wrote: | As promised, here are Peter's initial sketches of the four Squire line models, from left to right:
The Viking (Type H hilt, one piece pommel, Geibig 4 blade) -- $300
13th C Knightly Sword (Type XII) -- $300
13th C Great Sword (Type XIIa) -- $350
15th C Bastard Sword (Type XVa) -- $350
Best,
Howy |
What's the current estimated length of the XVa? It looks great. I've always wanted a blunt with another profile than the common flat that most blunts have.
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Geoff Wood
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| Posted: Tue 20 Jul, 2004 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| Howard Waddell wrote: | | Geoff Wood wrote: | Mr Waddell
Lovely drawings from Peter as usual. Any estimate yet of the additional cost for sharpening?
Regards
Geoff Wood |
Hey Geoff!
We haven't timed this out yet, but I would assume it would be around our regular charge of $25-$30, depending on the length of the sword.
Best,
Howy |
OK, thanks.
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R. E. Oxley
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| Posted: Tue 20 Jul, 2004 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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Mr. Waddell,
I am very interested in the new Squire Line--in particular the Viking type H. How do you think the secondary bevel will effect cutting capability on a sharpened blade? Thanks for your reply. And BTW, Mike is one of the BEST primary contact individuals I have ever had the pleasure to speak with at ANY business!
Best regards,
Rob Oxley
I didn't know she was an Otter Princess when I married her! Although, her small, laughing eyes and love of shellfish should have betrayed her true nature to me.
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Peter Johnsson
Industry Professional
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| Posted: Wed 21 Jul, 2004 3:14 am Post subject: |
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| R. E. Oxley wrote: | Mr. Waddell,
I am very interested in the new Squire Line--in particular the Viking type H. How do you think the secondary bevel will effect cutting capability on a sharpened blade? Thanks for your reply. And BTW, Mike is one of the BEST primary contact individuals I have ever had the pleasure to speak with at ANY business!
Best regards,
Rob Oxley |
Hey Rob,
I am not Howy, but here is my take at this:
The Squire line is a line of swords for the beginner practitioner or collector who whants quality swords that are made with an eye for historical accuracy but made to allow for a limited budget. These swords will also appeal to those who appreciate ruggedness, and there are low (=close to nill) demands in maintenance.
I like the idea that has been brought up that these swords are well suited for patination and home improvement projects. Style, proportions and feel are still very close to what you see in histrorical originals.
To make it possible for this line of swords to be used as sparring weapons the bevels are left a bit blunter leaving a rounded/flat edge (still pretty well defined and not too thick).
It should be noted that one should avoid static blocking of full force blows squarely with the edge (as anyone who study historical swordsmanship knows), but these blades can be used in sparring when used in a reasonable way.
This type of edge has long been the norm on "replicas" not meant for cutting. It is a type of edge that leaves a bit more meat in the blade.
Thicker edges will have some effect on handling, but we are aiming at keeping this to a mimimum.
When sharpened with a secondary bevel a blade like this can be used in cutting with pretty good results, but one should not expect it to perform at the same level as a blade with a highly defined continuos edge.
The swords of the Squire line have one advantage in that the overall blade shape has he same level of definition as the NextGen line, only not brought to the same finish (and left with a blunter bevel). A highly defined blade helps counter some of the inherent crudeness of a secondary bevel grind.
To reach a lower price, compromises have to be made. That is a sorry fact of life.
...The trick is making the right compromises 
Sturdy construction, rugged functionality and well expressed historical style within a tight budget has been the goal for the Squire Line.
Hope this helps explain some of your questions!
Best
Peter
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