[Augusto Boer Bront]

I want to know when they were intriduced the brastplate (like the Churburg one) and where, and when they were intruduced backplates and where.
Thanks a lot!!

Edit: Sorry: date 1366

[Augusto Boer Bront]

C'mon!!
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[Alex Hoogstraten]

In know they appear in the late 14th century, somewhere around 1370. But the coat-of-plates remains the most common till 1390. The earliest I know is the churburg harness.

I specialize in the 14th century (1360-70) and I wouldn't know any other example than that.

edit. I remember some literary sources and accounts around 1350 that refer to breastplates. But this could be translation errors or a references to coat of plates

[Dan Howard]

Solid iron breast and back plates date back to Hellenistic times. There are at least two surviving examples. I'm not sure what the question is.

[Randall Moffett]

I also am not sure what you are asking. There is evidence that is solid for the 1330s and 1340s for solid 1 piece breastplates but not sure what you are really asking so this may or may not help.

RPM

[Nathan Quarantillo]

I think you could get a better response if you narrowed your question down a bit. from the wording, i think you are referring to its revival in the late middle ages, however, as people have mentioned, breastplates have been around since the time of the Greeks. and even after this resurgence there are many types. I know its THE most infuriating question in the world when you get a response to narrow down your question, but it helps give a good answer instead of a basic statement with little information content and detail. and BTW, check out Mad Matts armoury. they specialize in 14thcent. armour and if you shoot them an Email, you could probably get a very good answer out of them. most armourers have a very comprehensive knowledge on dates and specific pieces and will be happy to help you out. If that for any reason does'nt satisfy you, shoot an Email to Mercenaries Tailor. I can guarantee that Allan will be happy to help you out on this.

[Artis Aboltins]

[M. Eversberg II]

I would also like to hear about these breastplates.

M.

[Dan Howard]

The most well known and the only one of which I have photos is the cuirass found at Vergina. The tomb is alleged to be that of Philip II, Alexander's father.

[Artis Aboltins]

*Slaps himself* fool of me! Never connected the " Philips quirass" from Vergina with the ones you menthioned :) Where was other one found, even if no pictures are avaliable?

[Augusto Boer Bront]

[Artis Aboltins]

[Dan Howard]

There is another example of a Hellenistic iron cuirass in the Corfu museum. Just found photos. This one is of the "muscled" typology.

[Hisham Gaballa]

Thanks for the picture of the Corfu cuirass Dan. I didn't know there is second Ancient Greek iron cuirass. :)

Since the original poster has clarified that he is asking about 14th century AD Western European Breastplates, I'll add my bit. The silver altarpiece from Pistoia Cathedral (circa 1376) clearly shows a figure wearing a one-piece breastplate with a fauld attached to the lower edge.

Another item; a few years ago Hermann Historica sold a coat-of-plates dated circa 1350. Although this is a CoP and is cloth-covered, it included a large one-piece breastplate: http://www.hermann-historica.de/auktion/hhm52...at52_A.txt

[S. Jansone]

[Romulus Stoica]

Here is another one, presumed thracian. There is a picture of this one in Osprey book Tharcians I believe.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Thorax...teType.jpg

[Dan Howard]

[Romulus Stoica]

[Augusto Boer Bront]

Yes, I was talking about medieval Bplate

[Dan Howard]