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Gabriele Becattini
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 Posted: Sun 21 Jun, 2009 3:21 am Post subject: sword- daggers with heraldic pommel |
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hello,
i would like to know if someone could show me some example of daggers/sword with heraldic engraved/enamelled pommels,
one nice example has been posted by Chad Arnow with his reproduction of a menber of the Balliol's family dagger, so i'm
very curious to see other examples.
thanks for help
Gabriele
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Chad Arnow
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Check out this thread for a couple of examples:
http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=10910
There's also the sword of Edward III:
There is a family of 14th century daggers with large hollow pommels, called "Burgundian heraldic daggers". I think there's some question whether the symbols on those pommels is heraldic or just decorative.
The sword of Estorre Visconti features heraldry as well, seen here: http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=2555 .
A Type XII from Madrid:
The sword of Albrecht II:
So there are a half dozen from around this site.  There are more, but that involves digging through books and firing up the scanner.
ChadA
http://chadarnow.com/
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Kimon Andreou
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Great pics!
Which books did you get these from?
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Chad Arnow
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| Kimon Andreou wrote: | Great pics!
Which books did you get these from? |
They're from a variety of sources. You can find these and similar pics in Records of the Medieval Sword, Armi Bianche, Peter Finer catalogues and other books.
ChadA
http://chadarnow.com/
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Danny Grigg
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Gabriele Becattini
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Thanks Chad and Danny for the great pics, in your opinion such kind of ornate weapons where for show or for a kind of bearing sword, or for war as well?
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Chad Arnow
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| Danny Grigg wrote: | | Don't forget the Burgundian Dagger. |
They were mentioned above. I just didn't have any pics handy. Thanks for the pics. Some of the so-called Burgundian daggers are clearly not heraldic while some are.
I really like this one that you linked to:
Its the closest I've seen to the dagger I had replicated (though it's still not that close):
ChadA
http://chadarnow.com/
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Chad Arnow
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Here's another: the sword of Pierre de Cros, Archbishop of Arles, dated to circa 1380. The sword can be linked from the heraldry to his family by the crest on one side of the pommel and the title "Archiepiscopus" on the rear of the pommel links it to Pierre, the only one of three cardinals in the family to have also been an Archbishop.
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ChadA
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Chad Arnow
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| Gabriele Becattini wrote: | | Thanks Chad and Danny for the great pics, in your opinion such kind of ornate weapons where for show or for a kind of bearing sword, or for war as well? |
I think many (most, if not all) of the weapons posted in this thread were real weapons of war. A few show signs of what appears to be battle damage.
ChadA
http://chadarnow.com/
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Gabriele Becattini
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Inside one of the osprey books about the Crusader, i have seen a reproduction of the pommel of Peter Dreux of Brittany,killed at the battle of mansurah during the fifth(?) crudade, showing his arms (chequy azur and or with a canton in the upper left with the ermine of brittany) at one side and a green cross at the other side, i don't know if it's still existing.
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Chad Arnow
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Here's an English riding sword with a crest (unidentified) on the pommel.
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Sword from the River Nene in England
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ChadA
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Gabriele Becattini
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just another question: any surviving 16th century complex hilt sword with heraldic pommel?
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Michael B.
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Looking for a digital photo of it, but the hand and a half sword of Duke Christopher of Bavaria c.1480, has a heraldic pommel. It is a very ornate sword.
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Kel Rekuta
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| Gabriele Becattini wrote: | | just another question: any surviving 16th century complex hilt sword with heraldic pommel? |
There are a number of sword and dagger pommels in the collection images at the Museo Lazaro Galdiano in Madrid. The website is entirely in Spanish but most of it translates easily enough to English. Many of them have heraldic decoration.
http://www.flg.es/bus_listado.asp
look in "ARMAS Y ARMADURAS" where there are some five hundred images of arms and (crappy Victorian?) armour. The swords are quite nice, even though I rarely take an interest in rapier-y artifacts.
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Gabriele Becattini
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Kel, nice link, a lot of nice sword
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Chad Arnow
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Here are two more heraldic pommels, both from the Met in NY. The pictures suck because taking photos through glassis hard.
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Sword pommel
ChadA
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Gabriele Becattini
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Chad, it is the bottom one the pommel of Peter of Dreux of Brittany?
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Chad Arnow
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| Gabriele Becattini wrote: | | Chad, it is the bottom one the pommel of Peter of Dreux of Brittany? |
I'm not sure. I didn't get a pic of the info card.
ChadA
http://chadarnow.com/
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