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Rodolfo Martínez




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PostPosted: Thu 04 Oct, 2007 1:37 pm    Post subject: Maximilian Armour Proportions         Reply with quote

Hello people.

Do you know which were Maximilian style armours proportions?
I have seen some and they were only 6 heads tall, żDo you know how it inserts into the human body?, I mean, where is supossed the belt should go (Under the ribcage?) and such.

Thank you very much.

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Gregory J. Liebau




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PostPosted: Fri 05 Oct, 2007 11:18 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

If you look at the proportions of Maximilian harnesses, you can tell that the "waistline" is usually located above the hips about towards the lower region of the stomach, a couple of inches below the floating ribcage. I'm providing three images of harnesses from the second and third decades of the 16th century that are good examples of the standard Maximilian look.

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Rodolfo Martínez




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PostPosted: Fri 05 Oct, 2007 8:52 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks Mr. Liebau, those suits are wonderful too (Specially the third one)
About their helmets... where them as big as the head or where them bigger?

About the armours in general...
Well, its not that i have seen a huge ammount of armours, but some of them seems to be 6 heads tall, shorter than an average human, Could some of those armours be child armours?

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Gregory J. Liebau




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PostPosted: Sat 06 Oct, 2007 12:52 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yes those would be considered a child's armour, I bet. I haven't seen much Maximilian armours that tall, nor do I know exactly how tall '6 heads' is exactly. I assume they're for children though. As for the close helms, they'd usually be a nice fit for a head with some amount of quilted liner. The back of the head is usually a bit out of proportion, to capture the lines that these helms obviously have. But no, the helms would not be super big on a man's head, just larger than his head so he can fit in, have padding and be comfortable.

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Rodolfo Martínez




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PostPosted: Sat 06 Oct, 2007 1:40 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks for the info about helmets.

About breast lates... I was just looking some Maximilian armours and i noticed that there was something that didn´t fit.
First of all, i was told that the base of the breastplate, were the belt is placed, is at the same level of the navel ,but the navel is 2 heads of distance from the chin.
This armours had the belts around 1 1/2 or 1 3/4 heads distance, Whats wrong?
I supossed that they were child armours, but having seen those armours more carefully, i noticed that some of them were actually adult height.

What do you think?

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PostPosted: Sat 06 Oct, 2007 1:44 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I think the exactness of the navel idea may be a bit faulty. From one man to another a torso can differ in height, and I assume that in general the "belted" area of the cuirass was somewhere between the navel and the floating ribs. Think of this point as where a woman's corset is most likely to cinch the tightest. It may be right on the navel, but looking at the way some people are shaped from their hips to ribs, it could also be a tad above that.

I think the fluctuation would be based on the individual, most likely. If you are in fact looking at adult-height armour, then it is simply a matter of style or personal functionality (based on the original wearer's measurements) that could be causing these distortions.

Also note that if you're using the helms to measure your "heads" then you would be exaggerating the times you are measuring with. Each helm is certainly taller than a man's head, and if you compare the helm to the cuirass to measure heads against torsos, the image may be distorted. A cuirass is certainly the same height as the torso it's made to fit, but the helm is usually taller than a human head, to allow padding and a bit of open space as a buffer from absorbing blows with the skull!

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Rodolfo Martínez




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PostPosted: Sat 06 Oct, 2007 3:25 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thank you very much.
So, a breastplate don´t bother with the ribcage?

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PostPosted: Sat 06 Oct, 2007 7:37 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by not bothering with the ribcage. The breastplate covers the ribcage (obviously) but the waistline on the breastplate will be below the ribs, not over them. It would not allow room for breathing if it was! Happy

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Rodolfo Martínez




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PostPosted: Mon 14 Jan, 2008 5:49 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sorry for the long wait guys. My f***ing explorer always show me the ¨not found page¨error when i try to answer some topics.

Gregory:
About bothering the ribcage i´m refering mostly to the maximilian breastplate, but specially the one in the third picture you posted. I mean, Don´t you think that the breastplate waistline could be compressing the wearer´s body too much, and maybe it could be harmful for his bones?

Thanks.

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