[Marton Pap]

Hi!
I just would like to ask:
Am I right if I think that the principle which is called the Placement (zu legen) in Talhoffer on tafel 8 and the lore about before in Wallerstein plate 9 is generally (or literally) the same as the principle of The Outside Taking (ausser nehmen) in Paulus Kals fechtbuch only applied in different situations, like in Wallerstein the enemy is in left Ochs and outside, and in Talhoffer and Paulus Kal the enemy is in right vom Tag and inside and this leads do the different results seen the fechtbuchs? (This is a big "bug in my ear") These techniques seemed really awkward and unfamiliar to me but if I'm right with these suppositions than not anymore:)
Any replies and opinions would be really highly appreciated!
Best regards and thank you!

[Rob Kelly]

Greetings Marton,
I am a student of Christian Tobler and would like to convey to you his appologies for not having yet responded to your post. He is presently enroute to the Western Martial Arts Workshop http://www.wmaw.us/ and will be out of touch until his return home next week. At that point in time, he hopes to be able to assist you.
Thank you for your patience.
-Rob Kelly
Quartermaster,
Order of Selohaar

[Marton Pap]

Hi!
I just wanted to thank you for the reply and the information! I didn't expect immediate answer since I don't know how often mr. Tobler reads this forum. Thank you again!
Regards!
Marton