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Etienne Hamel
Location: Granby (QC) canada Joined: 09 Sep 2006
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Jean you're god of design  ! I LOVE IT 
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Jean Thibodeau
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| Etienne Hamel wrote: | | Jean you're god of design ! I LOVE IT |
Oh, no I can now start a Religion and have Apostles ! HMMMMM: One can make a lot of money collecting donations for for a religion.  Now, I have to design a letterhead, make up some commandments, invent new sins ...... CONQUER the World ........ ( joking obviously.  ).
You can easily give up your freedom. You have to fight hard to get it back!
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Etienne Hamel
Location: Granby (QC) canada Joined: 09 Sep 2006
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Thanks all for the help i really appreciate that this week i will begin my work with a file and sand paper (no buffer all by hand).
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Owen Bush
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I was wondering at the thicknesses quoted from historical finds 8 to 10 mm seems awfully thick .are the finds that this thickness is taken from heavily rusted ? as rust can expand iron by a factor of up to 6 times .
these blades must be unfeasably heavy .I would be interested to know .
Thanks
forging soul into steel .
www.owenbush.co.uk the home of bushfire forge school of smithing .
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Jeroen Zuiderwijk
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| Posted: Wed 05 Sep, 2007 1:19 am Post subject: |
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| Owen Bush wrote: | I was wondering at the thicknesses quoted from historical finds 8 to 10 mm seems awfully thick .are the finds that this thickness is taken from heavily rusted ? as rust can expand iron by a factor of up to 6 times .
these blades must be unfeasably heavy .I would be interested to know .
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The thicknesses are fairly consistant (per type), and quite a few blades are in pretty good condition. There's examples where it's mentioned that it's difficult to determine the original thickness though. But on the whole for any old weapons that I've seen, they don't seem to have expanded. When the rust is removed, the metal underneath seems to be unaffected. I estimate that the average weight of the heavier broadsaxes and langsaxes would be in the 700-1000gram range (based on the measurements from some 3D sketches I made), so that's within normal single handed sword ranges. Plus they're shorter in general (though there are exceptions), so that would make them easier to handle.
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Bruno Giordan
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| Etienne Hamel wrote: | | Bruno can you tell me more about your second seax? i think it's awsome! |
Well, I was at my forgin seminar in bienno, in the usual XVI century forge where they have their school.
I was making some pieces under the surveillance of old smiths, they were used to do 500 spades, pickaxes et similia a week, but their tradition dates back to celtic times.
During the venetian rule they were supplying the Serenissima with its best blades, for example, and two of such very forges are still active as school - museum.
We are nto yet allowed to use the old medieval trip hammers, we are given modern industrial power hammer.
I spotted a raw piece of metal doomed to become one of the toy they sell to tourists.
In a few strokes it became a brokeback sax, it was my best piece at the seminar, i was inspired and supple.
The metal grain should be very good, I was also being followed by a master that had been working as a steel quality control engineer for decades, he told me that metal should be C40 or C 45 (0.4, 0.45 points carbon), plus the pounding and stretching impart a lot of strenght.
It now requires a proper handle style, for which I'm looking for suggestions by attenders of this website, I want it to be an high rank warrior weapon.
Despite thickness it is already an agile weapon, the tang is obviously cumbersome at this stage, but there is ever time to cut it ... not before I have decided what finish I will give it.
My bronze foundry has satisfied me with the result of my maciejowski dagger waxes, so i will likely put some bronze on this one too.
Maybe I could have it inlaid by some weapon specialist from Gardone Valtrompia, the town that hosts the famous brescian hunting weapons firms (bernardelli, franchi, beretta etc.), there seems to be an engraver shop at any corner there.
The only disappointing thing is in the slowness of the foundry process, it took two months to have my bronzes fittings ready, then there is the organic part of the handle to carve.
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