Lining in 15c armet -- myArmoury.com

Michal Plezia · Industry Professional

Hello!

I need heelp with lining in italian mid 15 century armets.I would appreciate all pictures of your armets inside.Armets are very 'deep' so a lining should go very low.But armet has opened sides that won't probably work good with linig...

Michal Plezia · Industry Professional

In the churburg example we have holes to sew the lining.But it is quite early form of armet...

In the other pictures I can't see no holes or rivets that could possibly hold the lining

Randall Moffett · Posted: Mon 14 May, 2007 11:50 am Post subject:

My assumption is that it would be done like 15th century sallet. The Churburg has two with lining still.

At the R.A. one of their late 15th sallets has a lining as well (a fairly thick one as well).

It is possible the lining rivets in this armet are countersunk.

RPM

Michal Plezia · Industry Professional

It is possible but sallet is not as deep as armet.Armet with sallet like lining may be a bit unstable...Maybe someone who has e functional copy of an armet will show us some pics...and tell about his/her experience with this kind of helmet.I am very curious because I plan to buy armet ant I have to be sure that lining i choose is functional and historically correct.

Rod Walker · Posted: Mon 14 May, 2007 5:05 pm Post subject:

A quilted lining stuffed with cotton waste or tow of you prefer.

This is the lining for my Great Bascinet, which you can see is very deep.

There are leather strips blind rivetted around the openings and back ,to which the lining is stitched.

Merv Cannon · Posted: Mon 14 May, 2007 6:03 pm Post subject: Helm Linings

Allan Senefelder · Industry Professional

Often the lining holes in helms like close helms, armets and sallets where you have moving parts that over lap other parts where exposed rivet heads would interfere with movement, closing ect. flush rivets were used. Flush rivets are rivets run through holes that are counter sunk like the holes for wood screws in furniture, so that when the rivet is piened the shank spreads out into the sink flush with the surface of the metal. These are often very hard to see in pictures, and really well done ones can be difficult to detect at first even when holding the item in the hand.

James Arlen Gillaspie · Industry Professional

There's a simpler reason why the second armet shows no liner rivets over the eyes. The brow reinforce would cover them up. Meanwhile, I suggest you consult the Churburg books; harness #20 (old numbering, don't know what it would be in Scalini's system) has an associated armet that still has its liner.

Randall Moffett · Posted: Tue 15 May, 2007 2:34 am Post subject:

I do not think it changes that much between the two. Some Sallet do have visible rivets though for linings.

Most historic sallets have deep skulls, likely deeper than armets for that matter.

In the museum I worked at we had some original liners in the 16th-17th helmets we had. One a close helmet from close to 1600 had a full internal lining similar to what a armet would have I imagine. Used the countersunk-flush rivets as well.

RPM