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Timo Nieminen
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| R. Kolick wrote: | | unless we do a tests like the ones sugeted now and before (still wont beable to test what an arrow would do to a charging knight because that would involve puting the target on a horse and im against that for obvious reasons or youd need to set up a rig that could match a charging horses speed) |
The latter option has been done; Mark Stretton's tests are presented in Hugh Soar's "Secrets of the English War Bow". Alas, the test uses a 1.6mm breastplate.
While a moving target is hard to do in the typical laboratory setup, you can just increase the speed of the arrow (if using something like an air-gun rather than a bow to launch it). For a 100g arrow delivering 100J to the target, you have an arrow speed of 45m/s. Using Stretton's "charging" rig speed of 20mph (which is 9m/s), that's an arrow speed of 54m/s relative to the target, so 146J. If the archer was managing 150J to a stationary target, the moving target would get over 200J.
"In addition to being efficient, all pole arms were quite nice to look at." - Cherney Berg, A hideous history of weapons, Collier 1963.
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Till J. Lodemann
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... And then again, one could argue that this speed would only be reached very close to the archer's line, and for a very short moment in the entire charge. I get it now 
And I want to add that I really would like to see a basinet with a hounskull visor pestered with arrows 
@ R. Kolick: How armoured persons get killed or wounded by arrows has been told here already, I think: Open faces, aventails, luck, limbs.
And the guys with less armour have problems, too.
But I guess we all want to see more and better tests on a professionel level 
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Gary Teuscher
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I think one thing that is also not given thorough enough research on tests, even with the better ones, is how many joulles penetrate armour based on the type of arrowhead (or javelin head for that matter).
I think this has been argues to death, but I wonder how many joulles would be needed to penetrate mail with a needle nose bodkin, a short bodkin and various other types of arrows.
And also how these arrow types fare against plate.
Might also help also in the equation of determining if needle nosed bodkins were effective against mail or were they more flight arrow types.
The few tests that have compared penetration of different types of arrowheads also had what I think were serious flaws favoring the arrows over armour, such as the tests done by Bane.
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William P
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| Posted: Wed 18 Apr, 2012 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| Gary Teuscher wrote: | I think one thing that is also not given thorough enough research on tests, even with the better ones, is how many joulles penetrate armour based on the type of arrowhead (or javelin head for that matter).
I think this has been argues to death, but I wonder how many joulles would be needed to penetrate mail with a needle nose bodkin, a short bodkin and various other types of arrows.
And also how these arrow types fare against plate.
Might also help also in the equation of determining if needle nosed bodkins were effective against mail or were they more flight arrow types.
The few tests that have compared penetration of different types of arrowheads also had what I think were serious flaws favoring the arrows over armour, such as the tests done by Bane. |
i support this notion as well because a 'plate cutter head' will transfer energy and penetrate a target of plate in a way thats very different to a needle nosed bodkin assaulting maile.
but i think based in the parlimentary reissuing of the law during henry V's time,
would i be too ambitios to assume that we mostly use hardened arrows? but maybe throw in unhardened versions of the same heads and shoot THEM at the target as well.
also, what were shields like in the days near to agincourt. what was their shape like compared to the shields of the time of crecy and poltiers
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