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Lancelot Chan
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 Posted: Thu 11 Nov, 2004 12:11 am Post subject: Re: ...some interesting videos... |
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Thanks for correcting me.  I haven't yet tried to false edge cut on something with cloth cover. I think I should do it some time but the first thing I have to make sure is to set up the target with firm footing so that it doesn't skid off easily.
If I get to do it, I'll post videos to share. Thanks again.
| Bill Grandy wrote: | | Lancelot Chan wrote: |
Now, if we're talking some where covered by fabric, that's another story. That's why if you care to see our sparring videos, our false edge cuts are mostly directed to wrist and fingers. |
If we're talking about full fledged cuts, and not the "wrap shots", then I have to say that false edge cuts (in the proper setting) will be tremendous against fabric-covered areas. In the Liechtanaur system, there are MANY false edge cuts, much moreso than in most other systems, both with two handed and single handed swords. Pictures from manuals such as Talhoffer show people wearing doublets, and the Von Danzig folios show combatants dressed in what might be some sort of arming gambeson. Many of the false edge cuts would definately be targeting the clothed area: The shielhau involves a false edge cut downwards to the shoulder, and the zwerchau, which a horizontal cut that from one side uses the false edge, can be aimed low to strike the torso. Even if the clothing doesn't rip, it would still form around the shape of the incoming sword, and a well made cut would get past most fabrics with ease. |
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Bill Grandy
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| Posted: Thu 11 Nov, 2004 9:16 am Post subject: Re: ...some interesting videos... |
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| Lancelot Chan wrote: |
If I get to do it, I'll post videos to share. Thanks again. |
Very cool! If you haven't check out Christian Tobler's books (Secrets of German Medieval Swordsmanship and Fighting with the German Longsword), you should get your hands on one to see what I mean by the zwerchau and schielhau, as well as a variety of other techniques that use the false edge ("short edge", in this style). Before Christian's books, I was working off a translation alone, and there were many techniques felt very uncomfortable to me. I knew I must have been doing something wrong, but didn't know what. Once Christian's first book came out, the light bulbs went off, and everything just seemed to click.
I bring this up, because some of the false edge cuts I used to be doing with some of the techniques didn't really work very well until I realized what I was doing wrong.
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David Evans
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| Posted: Fri 12 Nov, 2004 4:29 am Post subject: Sharpening |
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A little snippet of gossip that sprung up from the back of my memory. I read somewheere that the british Cavalry of the
mid 1850's ish changed(for some reason) how sabres were sharpened, something to do with changing the materials used in the issue whet stones. They discovered that they were having incredible problems cutting through great coats. Recently someone uncovered that the two materials gave different sharp edges at the micosope level, one edge was jagged, like a saw, one edge was smoother and close to the sort of edge you'd like to see being used by a doctor. One edge cut well, one edge failed to grip and just bounced off..
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