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Mackenzie Cosens
Location: Vancouver Canada Joined: 08 Aug 2007
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Posted: Wed 28 Sep, 2011 3:36 pm Post subject: Does anyone know this manuscript & LOOK at the cool chop |
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this set of manuscripts contain some of the coolest swords and choppy things since the Mispronounceski bible (Maciejowski Bible Just humour, no slur intended)
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/search/?year=...ew=gallery
Does anyone know the manuscript? It appears to me to be something to do with the first crusade and the Capture of Jerusalem?
Mackenzie
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Yuri Serebemnick
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Posted: Thu 29 Sep, 2011 6:30 am Post subject: |
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I was going to ask you guys about the curved blades.
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Ralph Grinly
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Posted: Thu 29 Sep, 2011 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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When I hover my mouse over the pictures I see - KA20 Spieghel Historiael f 213v - could this be the manuscript/folio name/number. Hope this helps track it down.
One thing I noticed..on the seventh pic from top..two of the knights seem to be using their swords in a dagger-like, stabbing fashion. They are def using swords, not daggers ( daggers can be seen in use in the sixth pic). I realise we can't take manuscript illustrations as gospel regarding weapons-use, but has anyone seen swords used in similar ways in other illustrations ?
I think the characters using curved swords are supposed to be representing Turks or Saracens. Curved swords were often the distinguishing mark of Saracens in manuscripts.
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Daniel Wallace
Location: Pennsylvania USA Joined: 07 Aug 2011
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Posted: Fri 30 Sep, 2011 7:24 am Post subject: |
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in doing a quick search Spieghel historiael translates to the mirror of history by an author (Jacob van Maerlant) that is writing a collection of history this link i found (quite quickly) http://collecties.meermanno.nl/handschriften/showmanu?id=1205 give a brief description of some of the panels shown.
i find the blade in the 4th panel interesting. it looks like some kind of falchion blade with a really pronounced outward curve and returns with a slight sweep back. the ridge also seems to illustrate that it's bevels are definitely on the inside of that curve. man that's chopper there.
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Michael Curl
Location: Northern California, US Joined: 06 Jan 2008
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Michael Zander
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Posted: Fri 30 Sep, 2011 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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Ralph Grinly wrote: | When I hover my mouse over the pictures I see - KA20 Spieghel Historiael f 213v - could this be the manuscript/folio name/number. Hope this helps track it down. |
If you click any of the images, you get all the info: manuscript designation and title, holding institution (and link), location, folio, etc. Everything you need should be there.
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Mackenzie Cosens
Location: Vancouver Canada Joined: 08 Aug 2007
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Posted: Fri 30 Sep, 2011 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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Michael Zander wrote: | Ralph Grinly wrote: | When I hover my mouse over the pictures I see - KA20 Spieghel Historiael f 213v - could this be the manuscript/folio name/number. Hope this helps track it down. |
If you click any of the images, you get all the info: manuscript designation and title, holding institution (and link), location, folio, etc. Everything you need should be there. |
Thanks
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Greg Mele
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Location: Chicago, IL USA Joined: 20 Mar 2006
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Posted: Mon 03 Oct, 2011 11:32 am Post subject: |
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Ralph Grinly wrote: |
One thing I noticed..on the seventh pic from top..two of the knights seem to be using their swords in a dagger-like, stabbing fashion. They are def using swords, not daggers ( daggers can be seen in use in the sixth pic). I realise we can't take manuscript illustrations as gospel regarding weapons-use, but has anyone seen swords used in similar ways in other illustrations ?
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It is surprisingly common, especially in ms dated about 1250 - 1400, usually with mounted figures. There are examples in the Meliadus Ms, I believe in the Mac Bible and elsewhere.
Greg
Greg Mele
Chicago Swordplay Guild
www.chicagoswordplayguild.com
www.freelanceacademypress.com
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