Examples from the Musée de l'Armée Paris -- myArmoury.com

Urbain d'Erlon · Posted: Fri 02 Mar, 2007 12:11 pm Post subject:

The mail hauberk is dated 1350, from Germany :

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Randall Moffett · Posted: Fri 02 Mar, 2007 1:47 pm Post subject:

Cool pictures!
Is it just me or does the segmented breastplate have holes located for what looks to be an arret?
RPM

Urbain d'Erlon · Posted: Fri 02 Mar, 2007 2:22 pm Post subject:

I don't think anyone could answer this...
This "breast plate" could be a part of a coat of plate or a corrazina. The arret shouldn't be on it. The arret has been made for jousting, during the XV and XVI centuries, not on the war harness of the XIVth. The rivets should have joined the plates with leather or other garment. Maybe these holes were for rivets, too ?

Randall Moffett · Posted: Fri 02 Mar, 2007 10:50 pm Post subject:

Urbain,

I am not sure that the arret is for jousts alone. All/many armour of the Milanese style and Gothic in the 15th for mounted horsemen have arrets, including war harnesses. The arret would be incredibly useful I assume in war although, myself, I have only ever used one in joust. (Doubt they have much use now in war). The earliest mention of it is in Chaucer so it alos is used in the XIV.

They tend to make rivet holes symetrical which these two are not. They do not have to be for and arret but it seemed possible ant in the right place.

RPM

Randall Moffett · Posted: Fri 02 Mar, 2007 11:17 pm Post subject:

Just two quick examples of art with them in the 14th.
One is Saint George from late 14th.
The second is Walter von Hohenklingen 1386.

Cheers,

RPM

Hisham Gaballa · Posted: Sat 03 Mar, 2007 2:18 am Post subject:

Good pictures those. To me it looks like that breastplate was once part of a coat-of-plates, i.e. it was riveted inside a fabric cover. :)

Chad Arnow · myArmoury Team

Randall Moffett · Posted: Sat 03 Mar, 2007 5:18 am Post subject:

Chad,

That is a good one. I had forgot. The Churburg 13 does indeed have a arret.

RPM

Urbain d'Erlon · Posted: Sat 03 Mar, 2007 9:11 am Post subject:

Ok, I didn't know from when the arret was... Now, I do, thanks !

Manouchehr M. · Posted: Sat 10 Mar, 2007 7:18 am Post subject:

Dear friends,

I was invited to a lecture and a conferenece. Sorry for the late replay. Thanks Urbain for posting the pics and also thanks for the input of others.

More pictures

Manouchehr M. · Posted: Sun 11 Mar, 2007 4:44 am Post subject:

THis is a wonderful targe attributed to the Hungarian king Matthias Corvinus. It is a French work around 1490.

Manouchehr M. · Posted: Sun 11 Mar, 2007 5:05 am Post subject:

That is a German Targe from 1450.

Kind regards

Manouchehr Moshtagh Khorasani

Manouchehr M. · Posted: Mon 12 Mar, 2007 2:04 am Post subject:

Turban helmet of Sultan Bayazid II 1481-1512

KInd regards

Manouchehr Moshtagh Khorasani

Fabrice Cognot · Industry Professional

Hi Manoucher

When did you take these pics ? I was last Thursday at the Musée de l'Armée, and I'd be sorry if I had missed you...

Manouchehr M. · Posted: Mon 12 Mar, 2007 6:34 am Post subject:

Manouchehr M. · Posted: Mon 12 Mar, 2007 6:44 am Post subject:

Some pieces of bronze arms and armor

Manouchehr M. · Posted: Mon 12 Mar, 2007 8:24 am Post subject:

More bronze weapons.

Kind regards

Manouchehr

Randall Moffett · Posted: Mon 12 Mar, 2007 9:34 am Post subject:

Manouchehr,

thanks for the new pictures. I have heard some good things about your book. Sounds like it is quite amazing. Thanks again for the updates.

RPM

Manouchehr M. · Posted: Mon 12 Mar, 2007 10:46 am Post subject:

Manouchehr M. · Posted: Mon 12 Mar, 2007 10:50 am Post subject:

For the lovers of two-handed swords.
A group of German swords from 1550. Could somone please identify the one-edged sword? What type is that?

Kind regards

Manocuhehr