[Augusto Boer Bront]

Hi.
Simple question: this kind of cervelliere were worn untill wich period? Mid XIV?
http://bottega.avalonceltic.com/catalogo/prod...ii_xiv.php
Thanks

[Michael Matthys]

Augusto,
Myself, I would not think of this as a cervelliere at all, because it has the nose guard. I think of them as much the same shape but without the band and the nose guard.

I would post a picture for you if I knew how!

Anyway for time period I would think that as they were usually work underneath something else almost any time would do. I think they were even worn in Napoleonic times, by British heavy dragoons under their fore-and-aft hats (in the Peninsula)!

I guess someone could claim to have taken their great helm off and just go about in the coif and 'brain-box protector'!
Sorry I can't be more helpful.
Michael.

[Beltrán Pérez]

10th.-mid 13th centuries

Deus vos guard

[Augusto Boer Bront]

Ok, there's the problem.
Our reenactment group own 6/7 of those helmets as protection of XIV cen. inantrymen.
So the question is (as I changed the title): what kind of protections wore the infantry?
All that I know is that kettlehats were common during all the century and that basicents became common by the second half of the century.
Where there other kind of helmets?
Edit: for infantryman I talk about Italian town militia.

[Beltrán Pérez]

For militia, chapels de fer or bascinets. For knjgths or men of arms, bascinet visorized,

Deus vos guard

[Jonathan Blair]

I would have to say that would be an antique by the mid fourteenth century. My Italian is non-existant, but it does say ,"Nord-germanico in uso fino alla metà del XII secolo," which I take to mean, "northern Germany in use at the end of the twelfth century."

Besides, the shape of the helmet doesn't look...right to me. There doesn't seem to be a lot of good historical-based stuff on the site in general.

As far as what was worn: chapel de fer or cervelliere/early bascinet under a grete heume (great helm), the latter typically reserved for men-at-arms. The visored Bascinet is found more toward the end of the century (1370's onward).

[Randall Moffett]

My guess is that by 1330 bascinets and kettle helmets would have been a very common type of helmet for commoners to use. In England by this time it has become a very common requirement. In the few Italian bits of artwork I can find from the 14th it seems infantry wears either a simple circular helmet, sometimes a bit swollen around the temples. The other is more pointed, either centre or slightly back pointed bascinet.

Palets seem to have been a simple head covering like a later skull cap and popular throughout the 14th century in much of europe. My guess is that it did not have a nasal but I cannot prove that one way or the other. I also assume them to be made of one piece consruction but that is my take on them.

Shame you already bought them as for a few euros more you could have gotten a helmet that is without doubt employed.

RPM

[Sander Marechal]

[Chad Arnow]

[Augusto Boer Bront]

Sorry if I post only commercial sites, but I need images of real helms

http://www.resmilitum.it/elmi.htm
Wich one of the first two is correct?

[Sander Marechal]

[Felix R.]

Augosto:

Get yourself the Italy related Osprey books Italian Militia Man and Italien Medieval Armies and you will have a lot of info to start with.

[Randall Moffett]

Good call Felix! The carving on the bottom of page 8 shows some awesome looking infantrymen that was done 1327-1330. The book is pretty well done so a good source.

You might want to check out Nicolle's Arms and Armour of the Crusading Era.

RPM

[Felix R.]