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Rodolfo Martínez
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 Posted: Fri 25 Jan, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject: Munich sword and knights. |
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Hello guys!
I was reading that Munich Sword´s essay and i remembered some Durer´s woodcuts showing angels with that type of sword.
But, a friend showed me some woodcuts with mounted men-at-arms (One was an XV century one) wielding that type of sword, and now i can´t contact him. (I think it is Type XVII)
Do you know if Durer did any woodcut showing XVI century knights/ men-at-arms with that type of swords?
(I dug out that he made at least one of the german knight with the Gothic armour, and many mercenaries and angels)
If it wasn´t Durer, Do you know of any other artist who made woodcuts, showing XVI century men-at-arms (Gendarmes) armed with that type of blade or similar weapon?
Thanks.
¨Sólo me desenvainarás por honor y nunca me envainarás sin gloria¨
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Craig Peters
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| Posted: Fri 25 Jan, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: Munich sword and knights. |
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| Rodolfo Martínez wrote: | Hello guys!
I was reading that Munich Sword´s essay and i remembered some Durer´s woodcuts showing angels with that type of sword.
But, a friend showed me some woodcuts with mounted men-at-arms (One was an XV century one) wielding that type of sword, and now i can´t contact him. (I think it is Type XVII)
Do you know if Durer did any woodcut showing XVI century knights/ men-at-arms with that type of swords?
(I dug out that he made at least one of the german knight with the Gothic armour, and many mercenaries and angels)
If it wasn´t Durer, Do you know of any other artist who made woodcuts, showing XVI century men-at-arms (Gendarmes) armed with that type of blade or similar weapon?
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Rodolfo,
Are you wondering about Type XVII swords or Type XVIII (b) swords? In your post, you initially start talking about the Munich, but then you mention XVIIs, like the Sempach and Landgraf.
I do know that there is a book in German that specifically covers Duerer's works with weapons, armour, knights and the like. They had a copy of it in the Deutsches Historisches museum in late December 2006 when I was there. It might be worth tracking down. Oddly though, the book has no illustrations from Duerer's fechtbuch, although that's a bit tangential to the subject of this thread.
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Craig Peters
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If you're thinking about Type XVIIIb swords, the best known illustration is Duerer's "Death, Knight and Devil"
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Craig Peters
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Another example of several swords, probably XVIIIb, is from the Apocalypse of St John, depicting the four winds:
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Rodolfo Martínez
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Hello guys.
I wasn´t refering to the Death and the knight, but it is a wonderful woodcut too. I was refering to a very similar one with the knight alone, just give me some time and i will post it for you.
There are other images of angels with othe cool blades, like messers. (Its weird that Durer didn´t draw a Saint Michael armored)
Craig, i was refering to the Munich, i can´t remember its type, but i know that Oakeshott gave those swords two clasifications if i´m not wrong. Can you remember the book´s name?
My friend´s knight was something like this one posted here, but with his sword in belt, with the Max armour and all the stuff like the bases skirt and hotse armour, but i can´t remember if it was truly Durer the author of that woodcut, or other artist. If you manage to guess please tell me.
Sorry for the ambiguous info.
¨Sólo me desenvainarás por honor y nunca me envainarás sin gloria¨
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Rodolfo Martínez
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Hello again, i guess the guy that made the woodcut was Hans Burgkmair, i´m not sure, there is a woodcut in the triumps of Maximilian of a knight with a flag but i don´t know if it was that woodcut, since the image i saw a few moments ago was very small.
¨Sólo me desenvainarás por honor y nunca me envainarás sin gloria¨
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Greg Coffman
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There is this picture from the ARMA webpage:
http://thearma.org/arttalk/at77.htm
For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
-Hebrews 4:12
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Rodolfo Martínez
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Hello, sorry for the time out, i just couldn´t scan the knight, i´ll try to find it again... 
The knight i was talking about previously, was the one posted by Greg. Do you know who made that woodcut?
Thamks.
¨Sólo me desenvainarás por honor y nunca me envainarás sin gloria¨
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Jared Smith
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Hans Leonhard Schäufelein (contained in a large book called Theuerdank, dated copies surviving from 1517-1519), died sometime around 1540. Another good reason why the sword form is considered plausible in late 15th to early 16th century, as opposed to a later development.
Absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence!
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