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Geoff Wood
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 Posted: Tue 14 Oct, 2003 1:10 pm Post subject: Hidden Treasure? |
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Hi
Did any of my fellow Brits catch BBC2s 'Hidden Treasure' tonight? Saxon sword hilt find from Lincolnshire, suggested as Swedish gift. Very pretty work.
Geoff
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Lee Watts
Location: Wales, UK ,europe Joined: 25 Aug 2003
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damn i missed it again, thats the 2nd time i forgot it was on.
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Geoff Wood
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Scott Bubar
Location: New England Joined: 21 Aug 2003
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Why Swedish?
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Geoff Wood
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| Scott Bubar wrote: | | Why Swedish? |
Because of stylistic similarities with examples shown in a Swedish museum. It wasn't a hugely convincing argument, as regards both direction of movement and whether style or object was what travelled, but maybe, as with many TV presentations, we got a very abridged version.
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Björn Hellqvist
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| Posted: Tue 14 Oct, 2003 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Geoff Wood wrote: | | Scott Bubar wrote: | | Why Swedish? |
Because of stylistic similarities with examples shown in a Swedish museum. It wasn't a hugely convincing argument, as regards both direction of movement and whether style or object was what travelled, but maybe, as with many TV presentations, we got a very abridged version. |
First, the British find:
[ Linked Image ]
Then a very similar scabbard mount from Sörmland in Sweden:
[ Linked Image ]
...so the "Swedish gift theory" isn't that implausible...
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Geoff Wood
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Hi Bjorn
Thanks for posting the pictures. I agree that it is plausible, but on the basis of the (little) information presented in the programme, so would be a Saxon gift to Sweden, or maybe a North German gift to both places, or a Saxon seeing the Swedish sword and copying the style when he got home. Similarity doesn't prove type and direction of causality. I imagine there is more information out there to back up the suggestion, but they didn't present it. Whatever, it was very good work. They also showed a lovely silver piece of sword furniture that had been recently found. The stuff of dreams!
Geoff
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Björn Hellqvist
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| Geoff Wood wrote: | | Similarity doesn't prove type and direction of causality. |
Nope, but frequency can. If a style is more common in, say, Viking Sweden, than in Saxon England, it can be assumed that Sweden would be the place of origin.
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Geoff Wood
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| Posted: Wed 15 Oct, 2003 11:34 am Post subject: |
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| Björn Hellqvist wrote: | | Geoff Wood wrote: | | Similarity doesn't prove type and direction of causality. |
Nope, but frequency can. If a style is more common in, say, Viking Sweden, than in Saxon England, it can be assumed that Sweden would be the place of origin. |
Ageed, and there you have the advantage over me. I don't have your knowledge of the respective frequencies, but I'm happy to accept your confirmation of the theory's probable accuracy.
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