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Etienne Hamel
Location: Granby (QC) canada Joined: 09 Sep 2006
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 Posted: Sun 29 Oct, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: Eight-flanged mace heads? |
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I wanted to know if someone has ever see a flail with a 8 flanges head.
if yes show some pictures!!
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Richard Fay
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| Posted: Sun 29 Oct, 2006 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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Hello all!
On plate Medieval Costume, Armour, and Weapons by Eduard Wagner, Zoroslava Drobna, and Jan Durdik, they show a cross section of an eight-bladed mace. Each flange appears to be at a 45 degree angle from the adjacent flanges. It's not much information, but they might have existed. I'll look around later and see what else I can come up with.
Stay safe!
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did! I'm going to recite poetry!"
Prince Andrew of Armar
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Mikko Kuusirati
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| Posted: Sun 29 Oct, 2006 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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I can't remember ever seeing a flail with any number of actual flanges - as opposed to strengthening ribs or lines of studs or spikes - lots of maces, though. For example, an eight-flanged replica mace by MRL is reviewed right here; the review features a good photo of a similar historical mace, too. There are also photos of several antiques featured in this album.
"And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That's what sin is."
-- Terry Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum
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Richard Fay
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| Posted: Sun 29 Oct, 2006 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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Hello again!
This still isn't much information (and no pictures), but the Severance Collection apparently has an Italian seven-flanged mace from circa 1540-50 (from the "Checklist of the Severance Collection" in Arms and Armor: the Cleveland Museum of Art by Stephen N. Fliegel).
I can keep looking. I probably can't post any pictures, but it will at least give you an idea where to look!
Oops! I just noticed the original poster was asking specifically about flails! That would change things. I'll still see what I can come up with! (My mind is mush today, too much going on!)
Stay safe!
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did! I'm going to recite poetry!"
Prince Andrew of Armar
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Richard Fay
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| Posted: Sun 29 Oct, 2006 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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Hello again!
Just took another look at the Wagner, Dobna, and Durdik book. They illustrate several flails, some from museum collections. They show plenty of spikes, studs, multiple chains, and even strengthening bars ("4 twisted metal thongs, 3 bands, and studded with 12 nails" as stated in the caption for the illustration of one from the Prague Municipal Museum) but no flanges. I'll keep looking, but flails were constructed a bit differently from maces.
Stay safe!
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did! I'm going to recite poetry!"
Prince Andrew of Armar
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Etienne Hamel
Location: Granby (QC) canada Joined: 09 Sep 2006
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Yes i know but it was supposed to be my first project that i wanted to be unique. (before this post was on the off topics talk)
and i was wondering if some people has made this before.
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Etienne Hamel
Location: Granby (QC) canada Joined: 09 Sep 2006
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Richard Fay
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| Posted: Wed 01 Nov, 2006 9:08 am Post subject: |
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Hello all!
Etienne,
If you are doing this as a non-historical project, then you could make any number of flanges you like. Why not seven or nine? Be creative! If you want to make it more historical, you might want to make a spiked or barred flail. The flail could be a rather crude weapon; some had no more than a weight at the end of the chain.
Stay safe!
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did! I'm going to recite poetry!"
Prince Andrew of Armar
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Sean Flynt
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Etienne Hamel
Location: Granby (QC) canada Joined: 09 Sep 2006
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how long is the grip in the picture? because i perhaps will try to do one almost like this one.
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Sean Flynt
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Etienne Hamel
Location: Granby (QC) canada Joined: 09 Sep 2006
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With the chain?
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Sean Flynt
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Danny Grigg
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| Posted: Fri 05 Jan, 2007 12:25 am Post subject: |
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Any idea which museum this flail is from?
Anyone have any further information on it?
Has information / pics about this flail been published in any books?
Thanks
Danny
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Nathan Robinson
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Mikko Kuusirati
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| Posted: Fri 05 Jan, 2007 9:36 am Post subject: |
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Four to five feet... this would be a two-handed flail, then?
"And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That's what sin is."
-- Terry Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum
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Etienne Hamel
Location: Granby (QC) canada Joined: 09 Sep 2006
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with that lenght of shaft i could do a double flail!!! :D
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Danny Grigg
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| Posted: Fri 05 Jan, 2007 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Nathan Robinson wrote: | | Danny Grigg wrote: | Any idea which museum this flail is from?
Anyone have any further information on it? |
According to the album name, it's in the Adolphe Neyt Collection.
(Ghent, castle of the Counts of Flanders?) |
Thanks for the info Nathan.
I found this website:
http://www.truefork.org/Photography/Gent_Neyt_collection.php
Quote from the site:
"When I visited, descriptions in the exhibit were minimal, and there was no catalogue"
Its a pity there's no information about this flail.
Danny
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This is a standard topic