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Joshua Reptsik
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 Posted: Tue 29 Nov, 2005 10:03 pm Post subject: throated hooking shields? |
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I can't help but smirk when I come across the throated hooking shields in the Talhoffer plates. These things are crazy looking. Being a novice researcher, I have never seen anything quite like these before, . I guess my question is, does anyone have any pictures (museum or reproduction) or info on these defensive oddballs. Thanks
" You little fool who wanted to be the best, see what happened." -MS 3227a
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Martin Wallgren
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There is something simillar in Paulus Hector Mairs fechtbuch too.
Martin
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Bill Grandy
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| Posted: Tue 29 Nov, 2005 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Martin Wallgren wrote: | There is something simillar in Paulus Hector Mairs fechtbuch too.
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And in Codex Wallerstein, too.
I actually find these things really cool. They strike me as incredibly effective one on one combat tools: The advantages of a shield, staff, spear and hooked pole arm all in one. Like a medieval amoury's Frankenstein. :) I once saw a short clip online of some fellows who'd made reproductions and were sparring with them... I've got to say, those are brave guys. I can't possibly think of how to do that with any degree of safety!
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Eric Nower
Location: Upstate NY Joined: 22 Dec 2004
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Aren't those primairly used as dueling shields? They're not designed for field combat use are they?
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Craig Peters
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That's what I understand Eric. The ones in Talhoffer, at least, look a bit too unwieldly for use in the field.
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Bill Grandy
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| Eric Nower wrote: | | Aren't those primairly used as dueling shields? They're not designed for field combat use are they? |
Well, no one REALLY knows, but it's presumed that, yes, they were meant for duelling only. I don't know of any surviving examples, and aside from the references mentioned above and a few other period images, I don't know of anything else that even mentions them. They appear to be a German thing, too.
HistoricalHandcrafts.com
-Inspired by History, Crafted by Hand
"For practice is better than artfulness. Your exercise can do well without artfulness, but artfulness is not much good without the exercise.” -anonymous 15th century fencing master, MS 3227a
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Sean Flynt
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Chuck Russell
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hehehe my personal favorite is the shield spike in the guys ehemmm manland ehhehe (YEOUCH)
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Joshua Reptsik
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That plate ( # 169) is funny because the guy on the receiving end of that vicious onslaught looks oddly pleased.
" You little fool who wanted to be the best, see what happened." -MS 3227a
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Chuck Russell
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| Joshua Reptsik wrote: | | That plate ( # 169) is funny because the guy on the receiving end of that vicious onslaught looks oddly pleased. |
thank you sir may i have another
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