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Thomas McDonald
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 Posted: Thu 15 Sep, 2005 6:03 am Post subject: Claymores (split from Sutton Hoo thread) |
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What .... no claymores ?????
You boys need to walk them cameras up a few centuries and smell the haggis !
;-) Seriously, nice shots Jeroen ( but do peek at them claymores when ye get the chance ;-)
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Jeroen Zuiderwijk
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| Posted: Thu 15 Sep, 2005 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| Thomas McDonald wrote: |
What .... no claymores ????? |
Naw, I only look at the really interesting stuff <ducks and runs.....> :p
| Quote: | You boys need to walk them cameras up a few centuries and smell the haggis !
;-) Seriously, nice shots Jeroen ( but do peek at them claymores when ye get the chance ;-)
Mac |
Thanks! I might look at those claymores next time, but I can't promise anything :)
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Russ Thomas
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| Posted: Thu 15 Sep, 2005 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | What .... no claymores ????? |
Ah well, Claymore yes it is nice, but Laphroaig is nicer ! :lol:
Oh, not that Claymore......hmmmmmmmm :\ Seriously, I didn't even know that they had any in the B.M. ? They do have a rather interesting large hand and a half sword.....with a war hammer about a foot from the tip though !!
Nathan,
Did you by any chance get any pictures of the belt buckle ?? That piece is , IMO, by far the finest piece in the whole hoard, it is absolutely stunning !
Regards as ever,
Russ
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Thomas McDonald
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| Posted: Thu 15 Sep, 2005 8:02 am Post subject: |
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| Russ Thomas wrote: | | Quote: | | What .... no claymores ????? |
Ah well, Claymore yes it is nice, but Laphroaig is nicer ! :lol:
Oh, not that Claymore......hmmmmmmmm :\ Seriously, I didn't even know that they had any in the B.M. ? Russ |
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David McElrea
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Another one from the other day...
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Thomas McDonald
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| Posted: Fri 16 Sep, 2005 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| David McElrea wrote: | | Another one from the other day... David |
Ah, now were talking !
Many thanks for that one, David ..... I'd not seen a full shot of that blade before ! Cool :-) Mac
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Russ Thomas
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| Posted: Fri 16 Sep, 2005 6:42 am Post subject: Claymores in the B.M. |
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Thankyou for those pictures gents, I have never seen that claymore before , or the other weapons exhibited with it either. As you know the B.M. is a huge place and even though I have spent literally hundreds of hours there I have probably only seen a fraction of what is there. I wonder what is there that is not on show. I know from past experience how many beautiful swords the Japanese department have, and yet they have only about eight blades on show :(
Do any of you by any chance know of , or better still, have a picture of the ' war hammer ' type sword that I was talking about earlier ? It is certainly something that I have never encountered before.
BTW. The claymore is really nice, but I just love that little gem below it ! That is cute ! Isn't it strange what odd little pieces really appeal to us at times :)
Regards as ever,
Russ
PS. My apologies Nathan, we appear to have shifted track somewhat from the original topic .........sorry :blush:
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Thomas McDonald
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| Posted: Sat 17 Sep, 2005 5:56 am Post subject: |
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Yes, apologies for veering off-track of the original Sutton Hoo discussion ..... but just one more question ;-)
David, do you recall what that cross mark was on the claymores blade ?
(* see attached image that shows where I mean)
Thanks, Mac
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Hi Thomas,
While I don't remember taking note of the mark I've attached another picture which shows a bit more detail (assuming it works). Next time I go I'll make a note of it, but it looks like an "R" to me from this pic.
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Patrick Kelly
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I've split this off from the Sutton Hoo thread since it's hijacking a thread that deals with a quite different topic.
"In valor there is hope.".................. Tacitus
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Thomas McDonald
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Thanks, Patrick .... sorry for the trouble !
David, thank you again !
Any future detailed closeups on this piece will be very appreciated !
I've attached a few cropped images of that mark, flipping the original view in different directions ......
Hmm, I dunno ...... maybe Vince noted what it is ? I'll have to ask him tonite !
Slàinte, Mac
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Patrick Kelly
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Looks like it could be the Passau/Solingen running wolf mark.
"In valor there is hope.".................. Tacitus
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Thomas McDonald
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| Patrick Kelly wrote: | | Looks like it could be the Passau/Solingen running wolf mark. |
Hi Patrick
Ya know 'ol buddy, you could just be right on about that wolf mark !
At first I didn't consider the 'running wolf' mark as this design seemed quite different than the ones I usually see, but you got me rethinking this .....
Most examples tend to have those quick straight lines engraved but this one, if indeed it was the famous wolf, features a curled back tail & a leg joint !
I pulled out my copy of Dufty's 'European Swords & Daggers in the Tower of London' and low & behold I found this version of the wolf mark which appears quite similar to the one were discussing here !
* drawn from a 16th century Scottish Lowland claymore no less, (Plate 9 b.) IX-943.
So this could be our boy, Mac
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Russ Thomas
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If this is indeed a 'running wolf ' mark, albeit a rather styleised version, then what period are we talking about ? All those that I can recall are fairly similar and are not so styleised as this version ? It is indeed an interesting possibility though.
Regards as ever,
Russ
Incidently Mac.... I have to come clean about this , but many, many , many years ago two members of my family from Wales, married into a certain Scottish clan...................................The Campbells ! Sorry ,but of all the possiblities I have to be descended from a group of traitors ................................ :\ Mind you I am only part Welsh / Scottish.....the rest is mostly Danish ! :lol:
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Thomas McDonald
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| Russ Thomas wrote: | If this is indeed a 'running wolf ' mark, albeit a rather styleised version, then what period are we talking about ? All those that I can recall are fairly similar and are not so styleised as this version ? It is indeed an interesting possibility though. Regards as ever, Russ
Incidently Mac.... I have to come clean about this , but many, many , many years ago two members of my family from Wales, married into a certain Scottish clan...................................The Campbells ! Sorry ,but of all the possiblities I have to be descended from a group of traitors ................................ :\ Mind you I am only part Welsh / Scottish.....the rest is mostly Danish ! :lol: |
Hi Russ
No problemo on the clanCampbell connection ..... It were but a few, and I suspect they've all paid dearly for that one long ago !
Aye, but should we ever find ourselves sharing accommodations .... I'll just be sure to sleep with one eye open, dirk under my pillow, right next to me broadsword ;-)
The sword that wolf mark came off of is a late 16th century Scottish 'Lowland' two-hander !
I'd imagine the blade to be contemporary with the hilt, German made, as the book gave no indication otherwise, but that is as much as I know !
Here are some other 'Running Wolf' designs .... , Mac
Photos: 'European Swords & Daggers in the Tower of London', by Dufty .
1.) From a mid-16th century Landsknecht sword, German.
2.) German Bastard sword, c. 1500.
3.) left: Scottish claymore, early 17th c., right: Mid-17th c. Italian sword, Brecia area.
4.) Mid-17th c. swords
5.) English hanger, c. 1650
6.) 18th c. Running Fox designs of Shotley Bridge factory
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