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Clifford Rogers
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 Posted: Tue 11 Oct, 2022 3:41 am Post subject: Earliest Frog-faced helm date |
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This is from a MS (http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/de/list/one/zbz/Ms-Rh-hist0033b) dated 1420-1440. The style of helmet shown here appears twice in it. I'm thinking that might allow a somewhat more precise dating (at least tentatively). What's the earliest other image of a similar helm?
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Anthony Clipsom
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A quick check on Armour in Art produced this fresco dated 1390-95 from Runkelstein Castle in Italy
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In Manuscript miniatures, there are earlier ones but I'm not convinced they aren't great helms. The earliest classic frogmouth seems to be from ONB Cod. Vindobonensis 2762 Wenzel Bible dated 1389.
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There are, however, 134 images tagged "frogmouth" so I may have missed something earlier.
Obviously, there are other sources out there, so earlier evidence is quite possible - I've just done a quick search in one source.
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Clifford Rogers
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| Posted: Wed 12 Oct, 2022 3:29 am Post subject: Thanks |
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| Anthony Clipsom wrote: | | A quick check on Armour in Art produced |
Thanks, I didn't know that resource.
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Anthony Clipsom
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| Posted: Wed 12 Oct, 2022 11:43 pm Post subject: Re: Thanks |
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| Clifford Rogers wrote: | | Anthony Clipsom wrote: | | A quick check on Armour in Art produced |
Thanks, I didn't know that resource. |
I find it very useful. The tagging system is a bit erratic but the date search is very handy.
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This is a standard topic