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Stewart C.
Location: Scotland Joined: 14 Apr 2004
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 Posted: Tue 20 Apr, 2004 5:40 am Post subject: Zweihander |
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I'm considering getting a Zweihander made but I'm not sure what style to get it made in. I've got a few pictures of Zweihanders but I don't know the dates or where they're from. I'm looking for some information on the types of blades used, guards and pommel types,common decoration and when and where they were used. I'm not having much luck searching the internet so I'd be more than grateful for any help or links.
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Allen W
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I don't understand why you would go to the expense of having a zweihander made when you don't know what you want and there are already several good production pieces available. MRL's flamberge, Del Tin's venetian two-handed sword, and CASI/Hanwei's lowlander are all good pieces that feel very much like the originals and are far cheaper than anything you could have custom made. Much more expensive is a zweihander in Arms and Armour's(USA) custom section of their online catalogue.
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Jeremiah Swanger
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| Posted: Tue 20 Apr, 2004 6:46 am Post subject: Re: Zweihander |
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| Stewart C. wrote: | | I'm considering getting a Zweihander made but I'm not sure what style to get it made in. I've got a few pictures of Zweihanders but I don't know the dates or where they're from. I'm looking for some information on the types of blades used, guards and pommel types,common decoration and when and where they were used. I'm not having much luck searching the internet so I'd be more than grateful for any help or links. |
Hi Stewart,
Your best bet would probably be Lutel (www.lutel.cz) if you are looking for a Bidenhander. They are very solidly-built and are fairly close to the originals in terms of weight (maybe a pound or so overweight). Also, thanks to the exchange rate between the dollar and the Czech currency, you can get these for a fairly low price.
Arms and Armor (www.arms-n-armor.com) made a custom bidenhander for one of their customers, and it sold for a pretty penny- but their craftsmanship is among the best.
I know Del Tin made an Italian version of a Bidenhander, slightly smaller than some of the others, and a bit overweight (it's a good 9 lbs), but it should still be more than adequate. If you type "Del Tin" into Google, you should find a lot of retailers.
Hope this helps!
"Rhaegar fought nobly.
Rhaegar fought valiantly.
Rhaegar fought honorably.
And Rhaegar died."
- G.R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire
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Alexi Goranov
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| Allen W wrote: | | I don't understand why you would go to the expense of having a zweihander made when you don't know what you want and there are already several good production pieces available. |
Hi Allen,
What people do with their money is their business. All we can do is point the way, and/or offer a piece of hopefully informed advice.
Hi Stewart,
I have to say ( and you probably know that) that the MRL and CAS swords are so and so. Some pieces are good and some are not so good. I have heard recommendations for the MRL flamberge, but that was mostly due to budget issues. My impression is that the cheaper swords (MRL, CAS) may not be as poorly designed as some of the philippine cheapies, but they cannot match the higher end makers in feel and performance, as well as in historical accuracy. It has been said more than once: you get what you paid for. If you can afford the money, wait and get the best quality you can afford. It is well worth it.
The Del Tin two handed swords are a special case. Where as many/all Del Tin sword owners praise their swords (rightfully so), the two handers fail every so often during test cuts due to hilt construction. The hilt construction of Del Tins is less of an issue with bastard and single hand swords. You should get a second opinion on that!!!!!!
Good luck with your research, and tell us what you decide to get.
Alexi
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Joel Whitmore
Location: Simmesport, LA Joined: 25 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Tue 20 Apr, 2004 2:18 pm Post subject: Failing HIlts |
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[quote="Alexi Goranov"] | Allen W wrote: |
The Del Tin two handed swords are a special case. Where as many/all Del Tin sword owners praise their swords (rightfully so), the two handers fail every so often during test cuts due to hilt construction. The hilt construction of Del Tins is less of an issue with bastard and single hand swords. You should get a second opinion on that!!!!!!
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This is news to me. Did you have a DT hilt or tang fail on you? Interetsing news here. The only "complaint" I have heard voiced about the DT 2-handers is thier tendancy to be tip heavy. I am talking specifically about the true two-handers and not the war swords or bastard swords.
Joel
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Allen W
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| Posted: Tue 20 Apr, 2004 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Alexi Goranov wrote: | | Allen W wrote: | | I don't understand why you would go to the expense of having a zweihander made when you don't know what you want and there are already several good production pieces available. |
Hi Allen,
What people do with their money is their business. All we can do is point the way, and/or offer a piece of hopefully informed advice.
Hi Stewart,
I have to say ( and you probably know that) that the MRL and CAS swords are so and so. Some pieces are good and some are not so good. I have heard recommendations for the MRL flamberge, but that was mostly due to budget issues. My impression is that the cheaper swords (MRL, CAS) may not be as poorly designed as some of the philippine cheapies, but they cannot match the higher end makers in feel and performance, as well as in historical accuracy. It has been said more than once: you get what you paid for. If you can afford the money, wait and get the best quality you can afford. It is well worth it.
The Del Tin two handed swords are a special case. Where as many/all Del Tin sword owners praise their swords (rightfully so), the two handers fail every so often during test cuts due to hilt construction. The hilt construction of Del Tins is less of an issue with bastard and single hand swords. You should get a second opinion on that!!!!!!
Good luck with your research, and tell us what you decide to get.
Alexi |
Several points 1. I only suggested that he get some first hand experience with cheaper repros and do his textual research so that he knows exactly what he wants before laying out many times that amount for a custom piece.
2. Unless things have changed in the last couple of years Del Tin's Venetian Two-hander weighs around eight and a half pounds and even nine would be well within historic range (check the Infantile Question thread for examples from Graz)
3. MRL and Hanwei make good blades though MRL had some serious QC problems in the past they are still better made than a great many of the originals.
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Alexi Goranov
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| Posted: Tue 20 Apr, 2004 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Allen W wrote: |
Several points 1. I only suggested that he get some first hand experience with cheaper repros and do his textual research so that he knows exactly what he wants before laying out many times that amount for a custom piece.
2. Unless things have changed in the last couple of years Del Tin's Venetian Two-hander weighs around eight and a half pounds and even nine would be well within historic range (check the Infantile Question thread for examples from Graz)
3. MRL and Hanwei make good blades though MRL had some serious QC problems in the past they are still better made than a great many of the originals. |
Hi Allen,
I never suggested that Del Tins fall outside period weights. From my limited knowledge, Del Tins are designed as compromises between a functional blade and a reenactment blade. As such their distal tapper and weight distribution are not identical to period weapons, but are not far-off either. This is what I have heard Gus Trim discuss. I have no first hand experience with Del Tins.
I do agree that doing some research is good before paying a lot of money for a custom sword, but I have to say that doing research is even more important if one decides to buy a cheap repro. A custom sword is usually a great piece regardless of the type of the sword (provided that the smith knows his trade), and regardless of the ability of the owner to appreciate it. Plus, I would imagine that selling a good, custom sword would be much easier than trying to get rid of semi-decent repro.
My subjective opinion. No one has to agree with it.
Alexi
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