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Mario Didier





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PostPosted: Sun 29 Apr, 2007 11:43 pm    Post subject: Lining and padding for armour         Reply with quote

Dear members, I am looking for some re information about the way of lining and padding late XVI or early XVII century armour, many of them seems to have a strap of canvas or leather riveted to the interior of the breat-backplate to which attach the padding but others have no rivets at all.
there also are breastplates with a heavy padding (especially siege armour) with no rivets, in this case could you suggest me in which way it was attached to the interior of the armour?
Thanks a lot for your help.
Mario Didier
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Mario Didier





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PostPosted: Mon 30 Apr, 2007 12:02 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here a picture seen on a Hermann historica catalogue, this siege breatplate shows a havy padding but no rivets.
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David Evans




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PostPosted: Mon 30 Apr, 2007 3:25 am    Post subject: Linning armour         Reply with quote

There are some references in local accounts during the 1580's of payments made to armourers to line Trained Band armours with leather. I can dig them out but there isn't much detail.

Generally speaking helmets had a number of brass rivets which held a heavy linen canvas strap in place. The padding liner was sown to this strap, allowing replacement when needed.
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PostPosted: Mon 30 Apr, 2007 2:40 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

In the collection I worked with we had a few padded aND LINED PIECES from that era. The one a close helmet of the ealry 17th had a suspension of leather with a canvas padded lining of about 1/2 inch or so sewn together. It had a series of rivets for the leather strap and that was it.

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PostPosted: Mon 30 Apr, 2007 4:22 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Although this is a reproduction armour, it is an extremely fine on (of Mauritz of Nassau's armour from 1590) made by Gotscha Lagidse, who resides in the Netherlands. It shows quite nicely how the leather liners should be afixed to the armours.





These obviously aren't complete linings to the armour, but only on places where the rubbing of steel on steel or steel on clothing might be a problem.

There are also some examples in the "Collections" section of this website that show some rather nice linings on armours.

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Mario Didier





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PostPosted: Tue 01 May, 2007 2:57 am    Post subject: Padding         Reply with quote

Thanks to all for your kind help and for the great pictures of the armour ( a wonderful reproduction!)
My only difficult is to understand how the canvas is attached when no rivets are used to secure it or to secure leather lining as it is possible to see in the siege armour posted before.
Thanks again for your attention.
Mario Didier
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David Evans




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PostPosted: Wed 02 May, 2007 2:29 am    Post subject: Lining         Reply with quote

To make it short. Glue.......Linning are glued in place and boiled out when needed. Thro if you look at any armour there are brass rivets all over the place!
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Mario Didier





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PostPosted: Thu 03 May, 2007 1:28 am    Post subject: lining         Reply with quote

thanks a lot for your info, very very interesting, Have you an idea about which kind of glue may have been used?
Thanks.
Mario Didier
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David Evans




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PostPosted: Fri 04 May, 2007 2:52 am    Post subject: Glues         Reply with quote

I believe rather nice fish glues, made by boiling up fish bits! Possibly quite a nice smell on warm days!
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Bruno Giordan





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PostPosted: Fri 04 May, 2007 11:49 pm    Post subject: Re: lining         Reply with quote

Mario Didier wrote:
thanks a lot for your info, very very interesting, Have you an idea about which kind of glue may have been used?
Thanks.
Mario Didier


Try also to get info on rbbit glue.

Still available here to furniture and leather restorers at good prices.
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Mario Didier





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PostPosted: Mon 07 May, 2007 1:18 pm    Post subject: glue         Reply with quote

Hi, thanks a lot for your great information, maybe for me the rabbit glue is a little better than fish glue, except for all the cats of the neighborhoud..........
Ahhh tha hard life of the serious reenactor...

Md
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