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PostPosted: Thu 01 Feb, 2007 12:00 pm    Post subject: A Panoply of Swords         Reply with quote

A few interesting swords on the Macpherson Museum website !

A Panoply of Swords

Old Cluny's Sword

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PostPosted: Thu 01 Feb, 2007 1:20 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Great little display--thanks, Mac. the sword listed as Half Basket Hilt #1 looks like the ultra rare "Celtic Hilt" variation of the British 1796 Pattern heavy cavalry officer's service sword. Very cool!

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PostPosted: Thu 01 Feb, 2007 1:44 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ooohhhhhhh, soon as I quit drooling over those pieces I may come back to my senses, LOL.
Thanks for posting that, Mac!

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PostPosted: Fri 02 Feb, 2007 6:07 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jonathan Hopkins wrote:
Great little display--thanks, Mac. the sword listed as Half Basket Hilt #1 looks like the ultra rare "Celtic Hilt" variation of the British 1796 Pattern heavy cavalry officer's service sword. Very cool!

Jonathan


Hi Jonathan

Do you have any further info on this type?

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PostPosted: Fri 02 Feb, 2007 8:32 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Craig Johnson wrote:


Hi Jonathan

Do you have any further info on this type?

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Sure, I'll post what I have when I get home!

Jonathan

Added: For now, here is a link to a clearer image of an example of this type of sword:
http://forums.swordforum.com/attachment.php?a...1137416897
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PostPosted: Fri 02 Feb, 2007 12:15 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I have attached images of all the information I have. The design seems to be most closely associated with the British cutler Prosser. There is a 1994 article in "Classic Arms and Militaria" by Richard Dellar on the topic of the Celtic Hilt, but I do not have access to that artcle. The text I have attached is from Swords of the British Army (Revised edition) by Brian Robson (I will list the as pages 1-3 for ease of reading here, the actual pages numbers are p.84-86). The term "Celtic Hilt" was coined by Richard Dellar and is not a period term for the hilt. I am afraid that the photos will appear out of reading order, so please pay attention to the captions below the attachments.

Richard has a running list of known examples of this "pattern", and the Macpherson sword will make the total 18 (so thanks, Mac!). Richard agreed that the scabbard seems out of place for the sword, but that it might have been an infantry adaptation and carried by a Scottish infantry officer, as they sometimes preferred unorthodox swords.

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PostPosted: Fri 02 Feb, 2007 3:51 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Macphersons broke fourteen swords on the metal skullcaps that the English Dragoons were wearing

Interesting comment that confirms that Dragoons were wearing "secrets" in their tricorns during the period.
A talk at the Wallace a few years ago on the mid 18th C army mentioned the price of dragoon headgear during this period (detailed in a certain regiment's records) suggested this was being done.

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