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Stephen A. Fisher




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PostPosted: Mon 12 Jan, 2004 2:58 pm    Post subject: Suit of Armour family         Reply with quote

A scan from the book Fine Arms & Armor: Treasures in the Dresden Collection by Johannes Schobel.


left to right- "Blackened Field Armour, Augsburg/ Blackened Child's Armour, probably by Hans Unduetsch. Dresden 1592/ Blackened armour for the tournament. Probably by Wolf von Speyer. Annaberg, ca.1560-70."



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Allan Senefelder
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Jan, 2004 4:00 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Interesting to note the shot strike just below the neck line on the breast plate of the field armour
( left hand armour ) .
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Jan, 2004 7:05 pm    Post subject: Wow.         Reply with quote

The example of field harness is quite stunning. I also find it telling that the shot mark is not very noticable in this picture. Many of my friends are of the mistaken impression that firearms were the all powerful weapon of the day from their very inception. Confused

Now I only need to find 1). the money & 2). the smith.
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Jan, 2004 7:56 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I visited Die Rustkammer in Dresden in July 2002. Absolutely stunning! It had many more examples of full plate on display than this, including a number made for children of various sizes. And of course, a plethora of swords and other weapons, not all European. One of the most memorable was a Turkish horse archer's mail armor and weapons from the 16th or 17th C. If you're ever in that part of Germany, you MUST go!
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Allan Senefelder
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Jan, 2004 8:46 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The shot hit is a little more noticible in the actual photo from the book as the color contrase between
the area struck and the are around it is more obvious but the shallowness of the dent caused
is as evident here . Might be the round was a little spent ( i don't think its a proof mark as they
seem to have been lower twords the abdoment in most all the examples i've encountered )
when it hit but still thats not much of a mark for a ball of 60-75 caliber ( a little smaller than a quarter ).
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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jan, 2004 8:19 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

does the guy who made the armour have a website?
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James Byrnes




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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jan, 2004 9:03 am    Post subject: LOL         Reply with quote

Francois,

The armour in the pictures, per the caption,is attributed to a 16th century platener (plate armour maker) so it would be highly unlikely that the gentleman has a web presence! Big Grin

Brock,
Very nice pictures. I am more partial to early 16th/late 15th century harness myself, are there any good pictures of complete field harness from that time period in your book? I am meeting with the platener who is making my armour on Friday, and pictures are good!



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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jan, 2004 9:53 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Page 47 has a fabulous harness from the first quarter of the 16th century that is very similar to
the Wladislas armour featured close up in the final pages of Arms and Armour of the Medieval Knight thats
really great . Very clean surfaces , no hint of Maximillian at all . If I were less comp illiterate I could scan the pic for
you but perhaps Stephen could .
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Stephen A. Fisher




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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jan, 2004 10:42 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Allan Senefelder wrote:
Page 47 has a fabulous harness from the first quarter of the 16th century that is very similar to
the Wladislas armour featured close up in the final pages of Arms and Armour of the Medieval Knight thats
really great . Very clean surfaces , no hint of Maximillian at all . If I were less comp illiterate I could scan the pic for
you but perhaps Stephen could .



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Allan Senefelder
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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jan, 2004 12:18 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks Stephen !
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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jan, 2004 12:33 pm    Post subject: Aye         Reply with quote

Aye, indeed thank you Stephen, that is a VERY sweet harness. What year is that attributed to? or does it simply say first quarter 16th century?


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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jan, 2004 12:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Aye         Reply with quote

James Byrnes wrote:
Aye, indeed thank you Stephen, that is a VERY sweet harness. What year is that attributed to? or does it simply say first quarter 16th century?

This is what is said about that harness:

Field Armour
This brought armour is plain except for brass-headed rivets and flutings on the toes of the sabatons. It comprises gorget, globose breastplate, slightly hollowed backplate, fauld and culet of four lames each, pauldrons with large wings at front and rear, arm-defences with large couters, gauntlets, short tassets, cuishes and poleyns. The greaves with spurs are relatively decorative, the broad sabatons having lightly indented borders. The close-helmet has a strongly projecting detachable visor with brass rosette-shaped washers under the pivots. German, first quarter of the 16th century.

Weight: 58lb, 4oz (26.6 kg)
HMD: M I08; Inv. 1606 p.14; Ehrenthal: G29; Haenel: Plate 1

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jan, 2004 12:54 pm    Post subject: Thanks Nathan         Reply with quote

Thanks Nathan,

Looks like I am heading to Barnes and Noble to see if they can order this book for me.

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jan, 2004 1:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Thanks Nathan         Reply with quote

James Byrnes wrote:
Thanks Nathan, Looks like I am heading to Barnes and Noble to see if they can order this book for me.

There are multiple versions and they're all out of print. There's an English translation version that I'd suggest getting.

FINE ARMS AND ARMOR
Treasures in the Dresden Collection

by Johannes Sch÷bel
First published in the USA 1975 by G.P. Putnam's Sons
SBN: 399-11363-0
Library of Congress Catalog Card Number: 73-94104
Printed in Germany (East) by Druckerei Fortschritt Erfurt

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Stephen A. Fisher




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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jan, 2004 2:06 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

James,

I just checked on ABE books and they currently have several copies available.

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