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J. Bedell




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PostPosted: Wed 21 Jun, 2006 11:46 am    Post subject: Arabic Inscriptions         Reply with quote

Hello,

I am trying to design some swords to have custom made. Two of these swords are a saif and a kaskara. Many period examples have arabic inscriptions saying "There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger" Unfortunately everything I have found gives an english translation of the inscription but not a picture of it. I am unsure of what the arabic text for this inscription would like like. Does anyone know?, it would be a great help as I plan to have this on both of these swords.

Thanks,
-James

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Carl Goff




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PostPosted: Thu 22 Jun, 2006 1:15 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Depends on how long you're willing to wait. I go to USF, which has a pretty good Arabic department. I'm sure I can get hold of one of the professors and get that translated into an inscription. Finding a scanner might take a day or so after that, at most.

Problem is, term starts Aug. 28. Worried

However, I can try contacting some of the summer term professors. The flaw with that is, they may not have a scanner, and I don't want to impose on them (and asking a busy prof to go find a scanner certainly is an imposition!).

Your call.

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You could not break the Northern wolf and now the wolf has turned on you.
The fires that light the coasts of Spain fling shadows on the Eastern strand.
Master, your slave has come again with torch and axe in his right hand!
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Arne Focke
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PostPosted: Thu 22 Jun, 2006 2:22 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This sentence you are looking for is the islamic testimony, called Shahada. Knowing that it should be no problem finding pictures of it via google, since it can be found on some arabic national flags (Saudi-Arabia for example).
So schön und inhaltsreich der Beruf eines Archäologen ist, so hart ist auch seine Arbeit, die keinen Achtstundentag kennt! (Wolfgang Kimmig in: Die Heuneburg an der oberen Donau, Stuttgart 1983)
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Hisham Gaballa





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PostPosted: Thu 22 Jun, 2006 11:06 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Your problem might be that there are different types of Arabic script, such as thuluth, Kufi, Diwani etc. Different scripts were used by different regions at different times. These swords you are having made, one you say is a kaskara, so it shouldn't be too hard to find out what type of script is normally on kaskaras. What about the other though? Is it a Persian shamshir? An Ottoman kilij or yataghan?


Two websites which might be helpful are the following, please click on the links:

http://forums.swordforum.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=13
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=2

I'm sure I have some pictures as well. I'll see what I can do.
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J. Bedell




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PostPosted: Thu 22 Jun, 2006 5:49 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hey,

Carl-
Thanks for the help. If you can get it without too much trouble I would be very grateful, but it seems like I may be able to get it before August.

Arne-
Thanks, I didn't know it had a specific name. This should help.

Hisham-
When I searched before making the original post I found arabic script but not the desired phrase. I also had difficulty telling if they were different unless they stated which script it was. Also I didn't know which should be on a kaskara. I will try to find that out, thanks for the links. BTW The other sword will be an early version of a shamshir before it adopted the dramatic curve. It will have some curve but not much.

Thanks,
-James

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