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Addison C. de Lisle




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PostPosted: Thu 27 Apr, 2006 3:40 pm    Post subject: Sabatons (foot armor)         Reply with quote

In my trawling of my bookmarks, I have been unable to find a good source for sabatons. Any pointers? Also, how accurate would these be for circa 1350 AD?
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PostPosted: Thu 27 Apr, 2006 4:47 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

you wont find much on plate sabs for that time period. maybe mail chausis, but not plate.
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Allan Senefelder
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PostPosted: Thu 27 Apr, 2006 5:46 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Addison plate as well as maille and scale are all shown on funery effigies from the mid 14th century((the monumental brass of sir Jhon d'Abernon c.1340 shown on page 78 of Arms and Armor of the Medieval Knight is just one example). There are a series of plates excavated from the Battle of Wisby fought in 1361 that are believed to be from the sort of plate foot defenses shown in the above mentioned brass. One of the "Four Lords of the Manor of Tewkesbury" frrom a mid 14th century stained glass window in Tewkesbury Abbey (p58 & 59 An Historical Guide to arms & Armor) has scale defenses for his feet. These are not true sabatons (there is a sabaton froma childs armour c.1390 from Chartres Cathedral but thats later than your looking for) but they were large and small palte defenses in use for the feet at the time your asking after.
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Addison C. de Lisle




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PostPosted: Thu 27 Apr, 2006 6:28 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks for the info! I'm looking for something like the ones pictured here:


but I can't seem to find anyone who makes them. I'm sure A&A would do a set of custom ones, but I was hoping for someone who does a standard line of these...
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Al Muckart




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PostPosted: Thu 27 Apr, 2006 8:08 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Addison C. de Lisle wrote:
Thanks for the info! I'm looking for something like the ones pictured here:


but I can't seem to find anyone who makes them. I'm sure A&A would do a set of custom ones, but I was hoping for someone who does a standard line of these...


www.bestarmour.com do some really really nice looking stuff, including sabatons. I crave a set of their legs, but don't have the cash right now Sad

I've never ordered anything from them personally so I don't know what their service is like but I like the look of their products.

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Christian Henry Tobler
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PostPosted: Thu 27 Apr, 2006 8:19 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chuck Russell wrote:
you wont find much on plate sabs for that time period. maybe mail chausis, but not plate.


Hi Chuck - Actually, the earliest sabatons I know of are on the c. 1325 John de Creke memorial brass. They seem to be some of the earlier plate pieces that appear. There may be earlier examples, perhaps from Germany, so I'll have to check more.

All the best,

CHT

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Chuck Russell




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PostPosted: Thu 27 Apr, 2006 9:01 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

slaps forhead. DOH i knew that. sorry for my mistake. i've been in the sun all , oy
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Christian Henry Tobler
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PostPosted: Thu 27 Apr, 2006 9:21 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chuck Russell wrote:
slaps forhead. DOH i knew that. sorry for my mistake. i've been in the sun all , oy


No worries Chuck - I figured you were just having a thick moment! Wink

Take care,

CHT

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PostPosted: Fri 28 Apr, 2006 6:03 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Valentine Armouries, a Canadian company, will make a pair of Transitional sabatons like these custom fitted to your specification for $250 US. http://www.varmouries.com/tran_01.html

My own pair of Valentine sabatons is very well finished and highly functional, too.

Other companies sell a similar product for a lower price, but they will likely be one size fits all. I have a pair of Czech sabatons that are very inexpensive, but they are not fitted specially to my foot., and so are not nearly as useful.
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PostPosted: Fri 28 Apr, 2006 6:51 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Good morning,

Do be sure gents to wear properly pointy period (or period-styled) footwear beneath the sabaton, else the point of the armour will droop and tend to snag on grass and such.

All the best,

Christian

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Allan Senefelder
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PostPosted: Fri 28 Apr, 2006 8:05 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Addison, what Steven and Christian said regarding the right footwear and being sized to you is pretty important. The cheaper ones you see on ebay and the like are just going to "look" like sabatons rather than perform like them for that reason. The earlier foot protection at least based on the Wisby plates (thier shapes ect.) seems to have worked different however. They seem to have been built "on" a garment like the gauntlets and coats of plates from the find. I've wondered if these were built onto the shoes themselves like the other armour from the pit was built on gloves, coats whathave you. Anybody know more about that?
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Addison C. de Lisle




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PostPosted: Fri 28 Apr, 2006 12:37 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That's great, thanks for the sites! I intend to at some point get period appropriate garments for a 14th century kit I'm hoping to start soon (to go with my NG Crecy), and footwear is around the top of the list to get.
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PostPosted: Sat 29 Apr, 2006 4:56 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

If you want to be brave/crazy you could try and make a pair here is a link and if it works out great http://www.armourarchive.org/patterns/sabaton_yancy/
May you live as long as you want but never want for as long as you live
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Addison C. de Lisle




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PostPosted: Sat 29 Apr, 2006 5:02 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hmmm...good link! I may have to try it Happy
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