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Eric Gerry




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PostPosted: Sat 15 Nov, 2003 7:42 am    Post subject: Basket Lining         Reply with quote

Hello all, I'm new to this site!

Anyways, I have a lovely Darkwood Armoury English baskethilt that I'd like to line with red cloth so I can wield it bare-handed without sweating on the basket. Can anyone point me to where I might obtain one? Russ Ellis, would you be up to it? I could use a leather hilt wrap too. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon 17 Nov, 2003 8:46 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

If it's an early English basket, a full-basket red wool or velvet over buff leather liner would be anachronistic. Those are largely 18th c. touches, according to Oakeshott. I think a thick, uncovered pad of natural-colored buff leather in the bottom (blade end) of the basket would be more appropriate for your weapon. In "Culloden: The Swords and the Sorrows" I think there's a photo of a ca. 1690 portrait whose subject is sporting an elaborate red-lined basket. That may be the earliest depiction of that style. Does anybody know of any earlier usage of red liners? My overall impression has been that ordinary 17th c. basket hilts were simply and minimally lined with thick buff to prevent thrusts.

For what it's worth...I'm using an ordinary chamois as the basis for a padded half-basket liner more appropriate for the first quarter of the 18th c. for my own Scottish basket (the gold-ish leather is beautiful behind the black and gilded hilt). If I remember Oakeshott correctly, the liner's external material should actually be deerskin in this period, but the half-basket size is appropriate. I forget what the liner's innards consisted of at this time. Buff? Wool?

Maybe Mac or ElJay, the resident BH experts, will reply.

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Nov, 2003 12:50 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Text: John Wallace's "Scottish Swords & Dirks" .....





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PostPosted: Wed 19 Nov, 2003 4:54 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

heres another pic ive picked up somewhere- Im pretty sure it's Mac's done by Vince Evans...maybe Eljay..sorry I cant remember.


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PostPosted: Wed 19 Nov, 2003 5:20 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Allen Johnson wrote:
heres another pic ive picked up somewhere- Im pretty sure it's Mac's done by Vince Evans...maybe Eljay..sorry I cant remember.


That's a Vince Evans SW11 Replica, but it's not owned by Mac. The leather liner is somewhat ahistorical for the period, but that's what VInce's customer requested because he intends to use the sword.

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PostPosted: Wed 19 Nov, 2003 1:29 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nathan Robinson wrote:
The leather liner is somewhat ahistorical for the period, but that's what VInce's customer requested because he intends to use the sword.


That's pretty much my attitiude as well. I'm sure you guys know what a pain it is to clean rust off a basket! Eek!

Does anyone know where I can get a piece of buff leather, then?


Thanks,
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PostPosted: Wed 19 Nov, 2003 2:23 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Eric,
As an alternative you can always wear gloves. I always do with my swords, both for grippage and safety, and this would also serve your purpose of keeping sweat off quite well. It's less anachronistic, too.
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