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Howard Waddell
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PostPosted: Wed 29 Oct, 2003 6:25 pm    Post subject: First photos of the Next Gen Vinland         Reply with quote

more photos can can be found here:

http://www.albionarmorers.com/news.htm

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PostPosted: Wed 29 Oct, 2003 8:27 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

AAAAARRGGHHHH.... No money.............. Want sword.... no money........ Worried (If I have need to elaborate, well, it is a beauty of a sword in the works... wish I could buy one. One of each of the swords on the Albion site, that is... Happy )
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PostPosted: Thu 30 Oct, 2003 1:39 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yeah , that one's my fave out of the 3...great stuff.
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PostPosted: Thu 30 Oct, 2003 4:35 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It looks a lot better on the blade than it did in the render image. Can't wait for the other two (especially the Gotland)
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PostPosted: Thu 30 Oct, 2003 5:15 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ya know that was my favorite out of the waxes and now that i see it in real steel............. WOW

<<<<<<<<Looks for credit card...
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PostPosted: Thu 30 Oct, 2003 9:24 am    Post subject: Grips         Reply with quote

That looks wonderful -

Unless it is a trade secret, could one of you Albionites (Albionians?) tell me how the grip is affixed to the tang? I had always thought that the grip was a single piece of wood that was slipped down the tang before the pommel was peened over to the tang, but your pictures indicate to me that adding the grip might be the last operation. Is the grip actually two pieces of wood that are attached together around the tang? What role does that hole in the tang play? Please straighten out my confusion Confused Confused
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PostPosted: Thu 30 Oct, 2003 9:32 am    Post subject: Re: Grips         Reply with quote

Roger Hooper wrote:
That looks wonderful -

Unless it is a trade secret, could one of you Albionites (Albionians?) tell me how the grip is affixed to the tang? I had always thought that the grip was a single piece of wood that was slipped down the tang before the pommel was peened over to the tang, but your pictures indicate to me that adding the grip might be the last operation. Is the grip actually two pieces of wood that are attached together around the tang? What role does that hole in the tang play? Please straighten out my confusion Confused Confused


Hi David,

The short, simple and mildly sarcastic answer is............................... glue.

The vast majority of historical grips were two part sandwich grips which used some form of adhesive to attach them to the tang of the sword, then they are wrapped, and this adds strength to the grip assembly. You are right though, the grip is the last thing attached on our swords.

The hole is just used for suspension purposes during Heat-treating (it's all done vertically, not horizontally).


Pic is of me heat-treating one of the Albion Mark blades (I have no idea what blade it is, it's been too long since the picture was taken).

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Oct, 2003 9:41 am    Post subject: Sword Specs         Reply with quote

I just noticed that no one put up the specs in this thread.

Next Generation Vinland
Draft Specifications
Overall length: 36.875"
Blade length: 30.875"
Blade width: 2.2" (at cross)
CoB: 6.125" (from cross)
CoP: 20.25" (from cross)
Pivot Point: 21" (from cross)
Weight: 2 lbs 6 oz

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Oct, 2003 9:42 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

so is the outside of the grip slab flush with the outside of the tang? like slab handled knives?
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PostPosted: Thu 30 Oct, 2003 10:50 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

David Stokes wrote:
so is the outside of the grip slab flush with the outside of the tang? like slab handled knives?


Hey David!

Nope, they are "full round" wooden grips of stabilized birch, two halves inletted such that they fit completely around the tang when glued into place and then wrapped with cord risers and calfskin.

We'll have more photos of the process of final assembly (all three Viking models) to share, probably later today.

Here is one of Eric hot peening a Gotland.

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Oct, 2003 11:01 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

hey Howard!
Long time no talk man!!

Thats an interesting process, im interested to learn more!

Vikings have never been my main area of sword interest, but with these next gens my tastes are changing!
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PostPosted: Thu 30 Oct, 2003 5:25 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

David Stokes wrote:
hey Howard!
Long time no talk man!!

Thats an interesting process, im interested to learn more!

Vikings have never been my main area of sword interest, but with these next gens my tastes are changing!


Hey Dave!

It has been a long time!

Here is a bunch of the in-progress NextGens where you can see the grip cores attached...

Let me know if you haev any other questions!

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Oct, 2003 7:53 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Wowzers!
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Well, crud... Now that I see all 3 of them fairly well down the path to completion I want all of 'em.... I tell you Howy, you guys seem to be trying to tempt me into a life of crime... Evil, I tell you... Wink
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PostPosted: Fri 31 Oct, 2003 7:44 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That's really cool to see pics of the swords in progress. I know David mentioned two ways of attaching the grip, and I understand both methods were used, but, just out of curiosity Jason, for custom swords (like that XVII I was thinking about) could it be possible to bore the grip on to a red hot tang before the pommel is attached?
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PostPosted: Fri 31 Oct, 2003 8:08 am    Post subject: What beautiful Swords         Reply with quote

Hands clapping for Albion again. Makes me think of House of the Rising Sun, because the stuff I need to buy at Albion "has been, the ruin of many a poor boy.." LOL. Gorgeous stuff Howy. YOu and all the crew at Albion deserve a pat on the back....even Gherig hehe. I haev been after a great Viking sword and I have been biding my time, not being able to affor a custom peice. I believe that hot boring the hande was a historical method, but I remember Oakshott saying in Archeology of Weapons that many sword handles were joined in two halves. I can say that this sword is my favorite of the ALbion Vikings and I do plan to buy one...someday. Then there is the Svante.... Blush
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PostPosted: Fri 31 Oct, 2003 8:13 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Please post some close-up and some full views of the Gotland!!
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PostPosted: Fri 31 Oct, 2003 8:31 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Right you are Joel. He even says that in ROTMS and examins one that was made where the grip comes apart in two halves. I was just curious if they would hot bore a grip on a custom job. That's all. Wink

Also, I've never really studied any of the viking swords, but your recreations do look fantastic. Do you have any plans of etching the blades with viking mottos (or what ever it was that they etched on them) or gilting the hilts in gold (didn't the vikings do that)?
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Robert Grant Gomm wrote:
Right you are Joel. He even says that in ROTMS and examins one that was made where the grip comes apart in two halves. I was just curious if they would hot bore a grip on a custom job. That's all. Wink

Also, I've never really studied any of the viking swords, but your recreations do look fantastic. Do you have any plans of etching the blades with viking mottos (or what ever it was that they etched on them) or gilting the hilts in gold (didn't the vikings do that)?


When Peter was here a few weeks ago, he took a sharpie and was drawing those inscriptions on one of the Viking blades... and the gilding and other highlight stuff is in the works as well... so the answer is yes!

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PostPosted: Fri 31 Oct, 2003 9:14 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Roger Hooper wrote:
Please post some close-up and some full views of the Gotland!!


Hey Roger!

Here is all I have at the moment, but more will be done today or Monday...

Thanks!

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