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PostPosted: Sun 08 May, 2005 11:10 am    Post subject: The "mail" man............         Reply with quote

Comin' get some!


I'm doing a program next month for the local library. I was organizing some of my gear and thought I'd share a quick photo of my sexy self. Big Grin

(If you don't think I'm sexy please be gentle. I'm fragile. *g*)

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PostPosted: Sun 08 May, 2005 11:23 am    Post subject: Re: The "mail" man............         Reply with quote

Looks great, my friend! I really like that wide mantle on the coif.

I take it that's the GDFB helm?

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I'm gonna just leave that one be... Razz


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PostPosted: Sun 08 May, 2005 11:24 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I just had a thought. I'm on the night shift tonight and maybe I'll go to work dressed like this.

If anyone complains I'll just tell the boss "Heck Lt., he was so drunk he doesn't know what he saw."

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

"In valor there is hope.".................. Tacitus
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PostPosted: Sun 08 May, 2005 11:29 am    Post subject: Re: The "mail" man............         Reply with quote

Aaron Schnatterly wrote:
Looks great, my friend! I really like that wide mantle on the coif.

I take it that's the GDFB helm?

Patrick Kelly wrote:

(If you don't think I'm sexy please be gentle. I'm fragile. *g*)


I'm gonna just leave that one be... Razz


you ANIMAL you!


Hi Aaron,

Yes it's the Olmutz helm from Get Dressed For Battle. That's also a GDFB riveted coif purchased through Historic Enterprises. The hauberk is my round riveted shirt that I purchased from Wholesale Armor, and I couldn't take a picture like this without throwing in the Big Johnsson. Big Grin

I didn't realize the coif was that wide until I looked at this photo!

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PostPosted: Sun 08 May, 2005 12:15 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That's what I thought... helm looks good. Seriously, too... the coif is great. I like them nice and wide - catches the neck well, stays in place, and also doubles the maille on the shoulders, where anything deflected by the conical helm will land.



Patrick Kelly wrote:
I just had a thought. I'm on the night shift tonight and maybe I'll go to work dressed like this.

If anyone complains I'll just tell the boss "Heck Lt., he was so drunk he doesn't know what he saw."

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.


Want a partner? Cool


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PostPosted: Sun 08 May, 2005 12:24 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Trey sexy Aaron!

I like the way the coif looks. The only issue is it's accuracy in this particular interpretation. Eventually this will all be part of a Norman kit, circa 11th-early 12th century. As such the hauberk is mid-thigh with sleeves that hang below the elbow to mid-forearm. A seperate coif really isn't considered accurate for that period by most people.

The helms nasal mashes my big ol' schnoz just a bit.

It does look nice though. Big Grin

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PostPosted: Sun 08 May, 2005 12:49 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Look's good,although i must admit you look younger in the armour.
Cool
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PostPosted: Sun 08 May, 2005 12:54 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

True, that often they were a connected hood rather than a separate coif during that period. Still, though, I have to think that it's probable that some were separate. I think you have a very solid foundation for your kit. Really looks great. Wish I could attend the talk. If that nasal is uncomfortable, you could probably cant it slightly forward without effecting it's integrity or aesthetics.

Mine is headed half a century later - based on plate H in the Osprey Knight Templar book, depicting the dress and armour of a Templar circa 1290. By this point, a separate, fitted coif that laces up the back is used, as is the fuller barrel helm, and full chausses. Still a bit of work to be done on it, but it is coming along ok so far. The brass isn't for looks, as Templars wouldn't prefer that "extravagant" decoration. It wasn't uncommon either to have the edges trimmed in brass and then wrapped in leather. The brass wouldn't rust away with the moisture trapped inside.

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PostPosted: Sun 08 May, 2005 1:03 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Can I play too? Big Grin



Me (in white) and friend cornerd by the photpgrapher a few years ago while I could still take the weight of armour on my shoulder and swing a sword...

Great outfits Aaron and Patrick. I've always been fond of the fully mailed look though good chausses are hard to find.
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PostPosted: Sun 08 May, 2005 1:28 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Daniel Staberg wrote:
Can I play too? Big Grin

Great outfits Aaron and Patrick. I've always been fond of the fully mailed look though good chausses are hard to find.


Nice, Daniel! Get a bunch of us together, threaten we'll go postal. Razz

Thanks - still a work in progress. Fitted chausses are a pain in the butt to make, but impossible to find. Every ring I'm wearing - head to foot - was spooled, cut, and woven my me. For an Albion Svante, I'll make another pair of chausses... or the entire Museum Line gets my whole kit. What? No takers? Razz

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PostPosted: Sun 08 May, 2005 2:30 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Patrick;

Looks realy good and sexy Eek! Pause ........... while I dig the idea out of my head with a spoon Razz Razz Razz

I'll leave the " Sexy " remarks to Alina who seems to hate plate and love male ...... OOOOPS I mean maille. Wink Laughing Out Loud

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PostPosted: Sun 08 May, 2005 2:48 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Patrick Kelly wrote:
I just had a thought. I'm on the night shift tonight and maybe I'll go to work dressed like this.

If anyone complains I'll just tell the boss "Heck Lt., he was so drunk he doesn't know what he saw."

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Laughing Out Loud Just tell the lieutenant that you're doing a study of the practical application and functionality of ancient body armor in the modern law enforcement setting. Eek! That should give him something to ponder. Laughing Out Loud Or, you could say, "Hey, the manual says we're allowed to wear body armor, so what's your beef?" Laughing Out Loud
Anyhow, looks veerryyyy cool! Happy
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PostPosted: Sun 08 May, 2005 2:51 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Aaron thanks for the offer, but if I ever get my greedy hands on a Svante you can rest assured that I'll keep it for myself... Razz

I've made exactly oen set of mail garments and use prefabricated non-riveted rings, that was a chore but I can only imagine the effort you took with your suit. For all that i like the 'look' of 13th Century gear I feel that a sturdy buffcoat and Zischegge works just as well. Less hardship involved in getting them too.

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PostPosted: Sun 08 May, 2005 3:13 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sexy, NO! But do you folks all look Dangerous? YES! But maybe that's almost the same thing in our little world?
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PostPosted: Sun 08 May, 2005 3:46 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Daniel Staberg wrote:
Can I play too? Big Grin



Me (in white) and friend cornerd by the photpgrapher a few years ago while I could still take the weight of armour on my shoulder and swing a sword...

Great outfits Aaron and Patrick. I've always been fond of the fully mailed look though good chausses are hard to find.


Angry swordsmen are the worst kind Big Grin


You guys look like you've got that "don't make me go Medieval on you" look.

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PostPosted: Sun 08 May, 2005 4:31 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Patrick,
It was great to see you point out the authenticity issues with the seperate voif. I was like "I know Patrick knows that's not accurate."
Don't you think that the hauberk should extend to the knees- past the mid thigh.
How will you address the unprotected area on the forearms at the end of the hauberk sleeves on to the hand. This organic material question can be so pesky. I do not know how I would address it- through bracers and gloves or through full gauntlets.
I am totally in synch with you in your era of choice and in the continuous push towards increased athenticity.
God speed!
Jeremy
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PostPosted: Sun 08 May, 2005 5:16 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jeremy V. Krause wrote:
Hi Patrick,
It was great to see you point out the authenticity issues with the seperate voif. I was like "I know Patrick knows that's not accurate."
Don't you think that the hauberk should extend to the knees- past the mid thigh.
How will you address the unprotected area on the forearms at the end of the hauberk sleeves on to the hand. This organic material question can be so pesky. I do not know how I would address it- through bracers and gloves or through full gauntlets.
I am totally in synch with you in your era of choice and in the continuous push towards increased athenticity.
God speed!
Jeremy


Oh yes, I know. Big Grin

The issue I have with this stuff is that I need to get the most for my money. I'm also putting together a viking/anglo-saxon interpretation and the hauberk/byrnie will also be used for that, hence the need for a seperate coif. The length of the hauberk is also an issue due to this need for interchangeablity. I may purchase some loose riveted rings in the future and lengthen it just a bit. Not too much since that would look a bit out of place in the other personas.

I'll probably use a pair of leather bracers on the forearms for the immediate future. I've been thinking that curboulli fore-arm and leg defenses would go well with the mail. Kind of an Italo-Norman look.

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PostPosted: Sun 08 May, 2005 6:21 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Patrick;

How about the splinted forearm and lower leg defenses made by " Mercenary's Tailor " they sort of look credible historically from the Dark ages to late Norman periods. ( Or at least generic fantasy barbarian. ) Oh, also not very expensive.

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PostPosted: Sun 08 May, 2005 7:14 pm    Post subject: Re: The "mail" man............         Reply with quote

Patrick Kelly wrote:


(If you don't think I'm sexy please be gentle. I'm fragile. *g*)


Somehow I doubt that. Cool

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PostPosted: Sun 08 May, 2005 9:27 pm    Post subject: Re: The "mail" man............         Reply with quote

Joe Fults wrote:
Patrick Kelly wrote:


(If you don't think I'm sexy please be gentle. I'm fragile. *g*)


Somehow I doubt that. Cool


Which part, sexy or fragile? Wink

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