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Dan Kary





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PostPosted: Fri 10 Dec, 2021 8:02 am    Post subject: Baselard evolution/timeline         Reply with quote

Hi everybody,

I've lately become a bit enamored with Baselards, especially of the Swiss-German variety. I'm wondering if anybody could provide me with some information about when they first came around, what stages they went through, and when they disappeared (that is, if they did at all...I am not sure if their use last century by the Nazis, for example, was a resurrection or a continuation although I am inclined to believe the latter, at the moment). Of particular interest of me is the Holbein version, which I believe is the latest. When did they turn up?

Thank you!
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Sean Manning




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PostPosted: Fri 10 Dec, 2021 10:16 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Claude Blair, “The Word ‘Baselard.’” Journal of the Arms and Armour Society XI.4 (1984), pp. 193-206, pl. XLVI, XLVII siglum: blair-baselard (write to the Arms and Armour Society to see if they have a copy of that back issue for sale in their shed or attic)

vignola-riflessioni-sulla-basilarda (I have not seen this)

I think that by the 17th century, you will have trouble finding anything other than sword-hilted daggers and big knives in Catholic and Protestant Europe.

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Chad Arnow
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PostPosted: Tue 14 Dec, 2021 11:22 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I’m going to be slightly contrary to many and say that I think the baselard that most people think of is a subset of a larger family of a Swiss daggers that both predated the baselard proper and post dated it.

Swiss daggers like the one below were around in the 13th century, as attested to by many (dozens?) examples in the Swiss Landesmuseum.



The more capital-I shaped hilts of the more prototypical baselard come about more in the 14th century and a number are likely to be English or Italian, not just Swiss. These hang around into the 15th century for sure, maybe later.

Holbein daggers are another subset of Swiss daggers and might have started out as contemporaries of the baselard but hung around longer. These were revived in the 20th century by both the Swiss and Germans. They were first seen in the 15th/16th centuries I believe.

Happy

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Mart Shearer




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PostPosted: Tue 14 Dec, 2021 5:31 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The "capital I" hilts show up on both daggers and falchions in late XIII century sources associated with Alfonso X.
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