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Ian Hutchison




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PostPosted: Thu 04 Mar, 2021 7:47 pm    Post subject: St. Annen Museum Messer Information         Reply with quote

Does anyone have any photos or details of the multi-fullered, straight bladed messer held in the St. Annen Museum? I would like to have a reproduction made, but beyond OAL and weight, details are hard to come by.


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Johannes Zenker





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PostPosted: Fri 05 Mar, 2021 4:28 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Have you tried reaching out to Roland Warzecha about it? If he took that photo, he might have also made more detailed shots and measurements of this very interesting piece.
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Christian Henry Tobler
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PostPosted: Fri 05 Mar, 2021 12:38 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yes Ian, definitely contact Roland. I was with him during the visit to the St. Annen, and handled this very piece. I believe he has quite a few photos of it.

The handling on this messer was amazing, btw.

In the meantime, here's a picture from that day:



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Ian Hutchison




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PostPosted: Fri 05 Mar, 2021 6:42 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thank you both for your advice, I went ahead and contacted Roland as well as James Elmslie for good measure. Hopefully, this will bear some fruit! Christian, your tease about the handling has put some pressure on to make it feel right. Is there anything else you recall? Forward presence, balance?
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Christian Henry Tobler
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PostPosted: Sat 06 Mar, 2021 8:15 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hello Ian,

Well, it's been 11 years, but I do recall it having a bit of forward presence, but at the same time being very agile.

I ran it through all of the major strokes found in Messerfechten treatises.

Now, Roland has visited the St. Annen at least once since we both went there, so he'll likely have more details on handling.

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Christian

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