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Len Parker





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PostPosted: Thu 10 Sep, 2020 9:15 am    Post subject: Late Roman Hilts In Art         Reply with quote

This looks like a typical H-shaped hilt: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mosaic_Achilles_at_the_court_of_Lycomedes_DMA.jpg The upper guard looks off. It looks thicker on the left side. Could it be something other than a flat guard? You see the same thing here (second from right): https://akg-images.com/archive/-2UMEBM47XU4W.html
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PostPosted: Thu 10 Sep, 2020 9:28 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

A Stilicho/Aetius (not sure who) type hilt: https://www.akg-images.co.uk/archive/-2UMDHU3VK6PS.html
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PostPosted: Thu 10 Sep, 2020 9:48 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Not sure of the date on this: https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-ancient-romes-german-swiss-legacy-preserved-2014oct12-htmlstory.html The pommels look similar to ones found in Scotland.
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PostPosted: Thu 10 Sep, 2020 9:54 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This one is dated 375-400: https://www.artsy.net/artwork/unknown-artist-plate-with-the-embassy-to-achilles
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PostPosted: Thu 10 Sep, 2020 9:59 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

They're not sure of the date on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parabiago_Plate
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PostPosted: Thu 10 Sep, 2020 5:19 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

6th century Byzantine: https://www.livius.org/pictures/turkey/istanbul/constantinople-imperial-palace/constantinople-imperial-palace-hunter/
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Kai Lawson




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PostPosted: Thu 10 Sep, 2020 7:33 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

These are all really neat sources—thank you for sharing them!
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Len Parker





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PostPosted: Sun 13 Sep, 2020 7:34 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Your're welcome, Kai. Here are those Scottish pommels I mentioned: http://www.tforum.info/forum//index.php?showtopic=31317
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Mark Millman





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PostPosted: Sun 13 Sep, 2020 11:53 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Dear Len and Kai,

Rynne's article (which was published in From the Stone Age to the ‘Forty-Five: Studies Presented to R.B.K. Stevenson, Former Keeper, National Museum of Antiquities of Scotland, eds. Robert B.K. Stevenson, Anne O’Connor, and David Victor Clarke; Edinburgh: J. Donald, 1983, pp. 188-195) was originally posted on this forum by Kirk Lee Spencer on Sunday 16 May 2004; it's about two-thirds of the way down the page. A cursory inspection of the images will show that Tozhe Forum's jpegs are the same ones that Kirk posted five and a half years earlier. Likewise, the image of Irish Iron-Age sword hilts was posted in the same thread by Kirk on Sunday 10 October 2004, second-to-last on the page; regrettably, its source doesn't appear in the posting.

I hope this proves helpful.

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