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William P




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PostPosted: Tue 21 Jan, 2020 8:04 am    Post subject: Help ID'ing a 'rondel' dagger/ dirk         Reply with quote

so i picked up this dagger second hand.. quite lovely, very long, quite pointy but i cant place the design very well... i remember hearing about rondel daggers with non rondel pommels, maybe this is related? is it some sort of dirk?

or even a movie prop kind of deal, even better if someone / anyone can place the designs source... because i cant... it was bought in the last 10-15 years i believe

also the handle unscrews if that helps..

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scabbarded/ sheathed

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The hilt

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unsheathed
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Arne G.





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PostPosted: Tue 21 Jan, 2020 8:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Almost certainly a Windlass piece, probably sold through Museum Replicas. I vaguely recognize the design - I'm going to guess late 1990's or early 2000's manufacture, but I'd have to dig through some old catalogs to be sure.
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William P




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PostPosted: Tue 21 Jan, 2020 5:10 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Arne G. wrote:
Almost certainly a Windlass piece, probably sold through Museum Replicas. I vaguely recognize the design - I'm going to guess late 1990's or early 2000's manufacture, but I'd have to dig through some old catalogs to be sure.


i'm just as curious about what id call the blessed thing... dirk, rondel dagger, maybe some uncatagorised kind of 'dagger' that existed?
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Arne G.





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PostPosted: Wed 22 Jan, 2020 8:07 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It's a Rondel dagger. There were a number of early ones that had pommels like this. I think Harold Peterson's Daggers and Fighting Knives of the Western World discusses this; there may be pictures as well but I don't have the book to hand right now to confirm.
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Mark Millman





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PostPosted: Wed 29 Jan, 2020 5:22 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

There are many examples of rondel daggers that only have rondels as their guards, not as their pommels. Here are two examples from the Higgins Collection at the Worcester Art Museum:

Object Number 2018.3: Rondel Dagger from the area of Nuremberg, about 14001450
Object Number 2014.443: "Ring-pommel" dagger, perhaps English, about 1460

I hope these prove interesting.

Best,

Mark Millman
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