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Josh Hibbs




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PostPosted: Tue 12 Apr, 2005 6:57 am    Post subject: Italian Rapier & Gladius         Reply with quote

Next march I am going to Italy and Greece for a trip to see the sites with my girlfriend. I was wondering what the average price for an Italian Rapier and Gladius would go for. I am extreamly interested in looking at these prices because I plan on buying either a well made gladius or Italian Rapier. If anyone would know what these prices would be in Italy it would be much apreciated.
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Apr, 2005 9:02 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Josh,

You're asking for a general pricing structure not a specific item. As such you post fits better here in the Off Topic Forum. Good luck and enjoy your trip!

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Thanks for moving my post and sorry for the trouble
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Apr, 2005 3:12 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Josh Hibbs wrote:
Thanks for moving my post and sorry for the trouble


No trouble at all Josh. Wink

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PostPosted: Tue 12 Apr, 2005 9:29 pm    Post subject: Italian Rapier & Gladius         Reply with quote

Well, I don't think that Italy is actually the best place to find a well-made example of an historical Italian rapier or gladius--there are many excellent makers all over the word (I can think of several in the US and Bohemia & Moravia, for example). Honestly, in most places the quality of item that one would pick up in a shop open to tourists is not likely to be very good.

But as to prices, for a well-made rapier I can't see making out for less than $500 in the US, and probably not less than $1,000 in Europe. That's really guesswork, though.

My own thought would be to just go and enjoy the ambience of the countries you visit, pick up some trinkets to take home, and when you get home give thought to investing in a nice piece. But that's just my thought.

And it is possible to get lucky. One of my co-workers was in Bohemia when he discovered a little shop which made display armour to order. For $1,000 he could have had a very attractive suit of Gothic armour. Sure, it probably wouldn't have been able to withstand a good sword-blow--but it would have made an amazing conversation piece. Sadly, he didn't buy it, even at his wife's urging, and he's been kicking himself ever since.
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Apr, 2005 9:39 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Of course there's Del Tin in Maniago but since they ship to the U.S. you probably wouldn't gain much by buying a rapier or gladius (not sure they even make gladii anymore come to think of it)there. I would definitely visit the shop if you have the opportunity though!!!
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Apr, 2005 9:45 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Russ Ellis wrote:
(not sure they even make gladii anymore come to think of it)


They've got two new models:

The DT2040


And the DT 2011 (it won't let me link the picture)

http://www.deltin.it/2011-F.htm
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Apr, 2005 10:27 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Those are just the new ones. Here are a few more...

http://www.deltin.it/i1.htm

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PostPosted: Wed 13 Apr, 2005 4:24 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Josh,

Seeking a quality Gladius or Rapier in Italy or Greece will be a challenge. To my knowledge there are no custom swordsmiths of consequence active in those countries today. In Italy sharp swords are even illegal to make.
You have Fulvio Del Tin in Italy that makes the well known production replicas, but his products are well catrered for with retailers already.

There really are not very many swordmakers active in Europe today. You find lots of cheap tourist cr*p being sold in souvenir shops at most places with some hisotric significance, but you would be well adviced to keep a healthy distance from those things...You neven know what you might catch from things like that... Wink

My advice to you is to focus on museums and historical sites to get a good feel for the place where history actually happened. Enjoy good food, good wine and sites steeped in history. You will find much of that and it is well worth seeking out. If you get to visit musuems you might develop a deeper understanding for the real nature of historical weapons from preserved originals and depictions in art.

Actual swords made today of any quality are really rare. The historical remains are there to see, though. I would advice you to spend you time absorbing history and culture to be better armed to make a selection of available peices on the market when you get home. There is nothing better than seeing with your own eyes and building a personal relationship with these things. It will change your soul Wink Big Grin

May your trip be rewarding and most enjoyable!
Remember to sample good italian winen and make sure you try a decent Amarone!
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PostPosted: Wed 13 Apr, 2005 5:14 am    Post subject: Del Tin         Reply with quote

Would anyone happen to know where in italy Del Tin is located. Even if I don't buy anything it would be nice to go take a look at the shop. Thank you
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PostPosted: Wed 13 Apr, 2005 5:20 am    Post subject: Rapier & Gladius         Reply with quote

Living in the UK and travelling many times a year in Europe I would second the comments by Peter and others above. Although fencing (which is where I got my initial interest in ancient arms) is still a popular sport, and there are many collectors of antique swords (I collect antique rapiers and smallswords), the production of and market for good quality reconstructions is fairly limited. There are the odd small specialist smiths in the UK but on the continent they are few and far between. As mentioned above many tourist sites have shops cashing in on the history with cheap swords (Toledo being the worst abuser of its fine heritage in that respect), the quality is abysmal, as you would tell from a glance. Unless you want a 'rapier' that probably weighs in at about 6lbs, has the tensile strength of a ripe banana and is covered with kitch gilt with 'D'Artagnan' etched in Arial Font size 24 on the forte, I would steer clear and instead enjoy a cup of coffee and a couple of shots of Zivania with your lady in a sunny cafe and worry about quality edged weapons when you're home (in fact Greek coffee would probably melt most of their tourist blades). Also tramping around searching for swordsmiths might not be your girlfriend's idea of a Europe trip ! You'll spend at least a day in Rome looking at shoes but the door doesn't swing both ways in my experience.

What you should do as Peter said is take advantage of the museums and the original historical pieces. Those we have in abundance in Europe and you should take the opportunity to visit them in detail (and pick up the catalogues for later study). I was reminded of how good Europe is in that sense last weekend by being able to be confused by a description of two rapiers in a book by Oakshott and taking a 15 minute stroll across Regent's Park to the Wallace Collection to look at them 'in person'. Use the resource while you're there is my advice.

And do all the historical sites. Things like the Colisseum really are amazing. I can give tips on classical sites if you want any pointers.

(PS also airports in this current environment tend to get little touchy about checking in with long pointy swords - I had to surrender my 3cm long pair of nail-clippers at Rome airport last year and sign a form saying I accepted confiscation on the grounds it was a potentially dangerous item - I suppose I might have hijacked the plane on the threat of cutting the stewardess's nails to an unfashionably short length)

Have a great trip

Daniel
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PostPosted: Wed 13 Apr, 2005 6:09 am    Post subject: Re: Del Tin         Reply with quote

Josh Hibbs wrote:
Would anyone happen to know where in italy Del Tin is located. Even if I don't buy anything it would be nice to go take a look at the shop. Thank you


http://www.myArmoury.com/feature_deltin.html

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PostPosted: Wed 13 Apr, 2005 6:13 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks Bill and Nate, I should have definitely remembered the new gladii from Del Tin at least! Sheesh... What can I say last night I was being too lazy to go look at the site to check for gladii.... I guess I tend to get more focused on other styles of swords. Happy

I think Daniel and Peter are offering good advice, your time would be far better spent doing research in other aspects of history then trying to find modern replicas! Personally I believe that in order to have a better understanding of swords we need to have a good understanding of everything else in period including art, architecture etc. Happy This was brought home rather forcibly to me when I posted a spring bladed main gauche on this forum for identification some time ago. The responses were interesting but the ones (mostly provided by Peter) that were the most useful showed that his knowledge of even tableware...

I still wouldn't pass up the chance to visit Del Tin if given the chance though.

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