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Pedro Paulo Gaião




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PostPosted: Thu 09 May, 2019 7:46 am    Post subject: Sir Ralph's Tiny Heater Shield         Reply with quote

I came across a drawing of Ralph de Stafford's efiggy and found a very curious heater shield not much bigger than a Buckler, and fastened to the sword-belt as just as one.

There are other references for small heater Shields by this date? Could they've been the first "Bucklers?"

By the way, since we're discussing Shields, is the smaller dizer Kite Shield of Kingdom of Heaven movie a transition model between the kite shield and the heater one? I heard the movie wasn't incorrect with the historicity of it

Transition-shape shield: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1a/23/03/1a2303575ec16998d1e5fe67e13978fa.jpg



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Pedro Paulo Gaião




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PostPosted: Thu 23 May, 2019 8:27 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Since we're talking about shields, I notice something at "End Him Rightly":



Both are using a sort of buckler-sized cavalry shields, like those used especially in tournments. What's the name of these shields, they're simply called bucklers or could they be what is called a "petit pavise", or hand pavise?

By the way, the lance rest in this shield has any usefullness at all?

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Dan Howard




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PostPosted: Thu 23 May, 2019 3:18 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

They aren't drawn to scale. Look at how short the lances are. The artist isn't trying to portray a photo-realistic scene; he is trying to teach the reader how to fight.
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Mark Millman





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PostPosted: Fri 24 May, 2019 3:24 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Dear Sr. Gaião,

On Friday 24 May 2019, you wrote:
Since we're talking about shields, I notice something at "End Him Rightly":

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Both are using a sort of buckler-sized cavalry shields, like those used especially in tournments. What's the name of these shields, they're simply called bucklers or could they be what is called a "petit pavise", or hand pavise?

This style of shield is called an ecranche. Jeff Hedgecock describes ones he makes on his business' site.

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By the way, the lance rest in this shield has any usefullness at all?

I didn't know this myself before looking at Mr. Hedgecock's site, but apparently the notches are functional early in the shields' history and non-functional later.

I hope this proves helpful.

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Mark Millman
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Pedro Paulo Gaião




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PostPosted: Sun 23 Jun, 2019 10:39 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It did, thanks Mark.
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