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Craig Peters




PostPosted: Tue 15 Jan, 2019 7:02 am    Post subject: Albion is Offering War Axes...         Reply with quote

The title says it all. The first axe on offer is a small bearded axe from the 8th-11th century AD. These axes with be produced in small, limited runs.

See here: https://www.albion-swords.com/axes/SmallBeardedVikingAxe.htm
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Joe Maccarrone




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PostPosted: Tue 15 Jan, 2019 5:48 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

A series of affordable limited-run axes by Eric? I am so in for these... Big Grin
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James Rogers





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PostPosted: Wed 16 Jan, 2019 4:35 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I'm skeptical of it being cast. Very interesting project, though. I'll watch this space for reviews.
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Ryan Hobbs




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PostPosted: Wed 16 Jan, 2019 8:11 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Deleted because I was silly and didn't read the entire description on Albion's website. It's not a mono-steel ax everyone, I repeat, NOT MONO-STEAL
No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.
Hebrews 12:11


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Arne G.





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PostPosted: Wed 16 Jan, 2019 8:23 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ryan Hobbs wrote:
Hmmmm, seems a little steep for a monosteel axe. Other fine axe makers offer forge welded axes for similar prices or for a little more, when typically a monosteel axe should be cheaper.
Granted, you can cut the cost down to $350 if you don't get a handle but still, that's a lot of money for a relatively simple and small axe head.
I'm sure it's fine quality, I own several Albion swords and have another on the way, but at the end of the day it's still an axe.


It is not monosteel:
"To get the correct shape of the historical original, and keep costs down, the body of the axe is cast in mild steel and the high-carbon edge forge-welded to the body by Eric. "
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Victor R.




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PostPosted: Wed 16 Jan, 2019 9:05 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Arne G. wrote:
Ryan Hobbs wrote:
Hmmmm, seems a little steep for a monosteel axe. Other fine axe makers offer forge welded axes for similar prices or for a little more, when typically a monosteel axe should be cheaper.
Granted, you can cut the cost down to $350 if you don't get a handle but still, that's a lot of money for a relatively simple and small axe head.
I'm sure it's fine quality, I own several Albion swords and have another on the way, but at the end of the day it's still an axe.


It is not monosteel:
"To get the correct shape of the historical original, and keep costs down, the body of the axe is cast in mild steel and the high-carbon edge forge-welded to the body by Eric. "


What gets me is the extra $150 for a length of ash. Even if it's hand fitted, that still makes me scratch my head.
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Arne G.





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PostPosted: Wed 16 Jan, 2019 2:06 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Victor R. wrote:
Arne G. wrote:
Ryan Hobbs wrote:
Hmmmm, seems a little steep for a monosteel axe. Other fine axe makers offer forge welded axes for similar prices or for a little more, when typically a monosteel axe should be cheaper.
Granted, you can cut the cost down to $350 if you don't get a handle but still, that's a lot of money for a relatively simple and small axe head.
I'm sure it's fine quality, I own several Albion swords and have another on the way, but at the end of the day it's still an axe.


It is not monosteel:
"To get the correct shape of the historical original, and keep costs down, the body of the axe is cast in mild steel and the high-carbon edge forge-welded to the body by Eric. "


What gets me is the extra $150 for a length of ash. Even if it's hand fitted, that still makes me scratch my head.


Have you ever tried to hand fit a haft? It's really a lot of work, even with belt sanders, and not as straight forward as you might think. From the experiences I've had, I would not begrudge paying $150 to spare myself the headache... especially since Eric does make the fitting as historically accurate as possible.
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Craig Peters




PostPosted: Wed 16 Jan, 2019 9:20 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The next axe available is a Medium Danish Axe: https://www.albion-swords.com/axes/MediumDanishAxe.htm
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Sam Barris




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PostPosted: Wed 16 Jan, 2019 10:27 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Just placed an order for one of the Danish ones. Sadly, I won't see it until I'm home from deployment, but I look forward to hearing all of your thoughts on them! Happy
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Sam Barris

"Any nation that draws too great a distinction between its scholars and its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards, and its fighting done by fools." —Thucydides
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Hardy Lewis




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PostPosted: Thu 17 Jan, 2019 10:36 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I hope they offer a fransisca.
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Victor R.




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PostPosted: Thu 17 Jan, 2019 6:27 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Arne G. wrote:
Victor R. wrote:
Arne G. wrote:
Ryan Hobbs wrote:
Hmmmm, seems a little steep for a monosteel axe. Other fine axe makers offer forge welded axes for similar prices or for a little more, when typically a monosteel axe should be cheaper.
Granted, you can cut the cost down to $350 if you don't get a handle but still, that's a lot of money for a relatively simple and small axe head.
I'm sure it's fine quality, I own several Albion swords and have another on the way, but at the end of the day it's still an axe.


It is not monosteel:
"To get the correct shape of the historical original, and keep costs down, the body of the axe is cast in mild steel and the high-carbon edge forge-welded to the body by Eric. "


What gets me is the extra $150 for a length of ash. Even if it's hand fitted, that still makes me scratch my head.


Have you ever tried to hand fit a haft? It's really a lot of work, even with belt sanders, and not as straight forward as you might think. From the experiences I've had, I would not begrudge paying $150 to spare myself the headache... especially since Eric does make the fitting as historically accurate as possible.


I've refitted heads to axes, mauls and hammers, using hand tools. I learned to do it from my dad before I hit double-digits. Dad was raised on a farm and learned the value of doing such things oneself, and taught those things to me. I know how it's done; I know the amount of effort to do so without a belt sander to shape the haft. So, for me, that is a bit steep.
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J. Nicolaysen




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PostPosted: Thu 17 Jan, 2019 6:40 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I love the medium danish axe. I also hope they come out with a francisca. Or a great replica of the Mammen axe.

I have a superb gallowglass axe by Josh davis already, but I would think some of the irish/hibernian/gallowglass styles would be popular. Sparth, Jeddarth styles. They used to do a couple of those styles and I missed out on them.

What's the deal with a cast body? Pros/cons? Durability? Seems like it would be inferior to other options such as spring steel, but I'm not sure. The forge welded edge though, that is great and helps justify the pricing for sure.
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PostPosted: Sat 19 Jan, 2019 2:27 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Victor R. wrote:
I've refitted heads to axes, mauls and hammers, using hand tools. I learned to do it from my dad before I hit double-digits. Dad was raised on a farm and learned the value of doing such things oneself, and taught those things to me. I know how it's done; I know the amount of effort to do so without a belt sander to shape the haft. So, for me, that is a bit steep.


It's great if you can do that yourself, but how long did it take you to learn the skills? To research whether ts historically accurate or not? How long did it take to get the materials and what did they cost? How much do the workshop, tools, power bills, and maintenance cost? How long does it take do the actual work, exchange info with a retailer, make shipments, keep accounting records for taxes? I'm probably missing something.

A professional has to account for all that, and still make enough profit to make a living for themselves, their family, and hopefully have enough left over to retire some day in the context of the current and future cost of living, in this case in the USA. When think of how many hundred dollars a good lawyer charges for one hour of work, I won't begrudge paying an artist for their skills and time.
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Ryan Hobbs




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PostPosted: Sat 19 Jan, 2019 7:21 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It is not monosteel:
"To get the correct shape of the historical original, and keep costs down, the body of the axe is cast in mild steel and the high-carbon edge forge-welded to the body by Eric. "[/quote]

Thanks, I amended my earlier post, sorry about that.

No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.
Hebrews 12:11
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Eric McHugh
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PostPosted: Fri 25 Jan, 2019 2:18 pm    Post subject: Thanks for the comments         Reply with quote

Thanks for all the positive feedback. Peter, Howy, Mike and myself have discussed for years how to bring axes that have the weight and shape of historic axes to market. After over a year of prototyping, we figured out a cost effective way to produce these axes using modern and historical methods. That is all I will really say about it. Wink

Trust me when I say these axes are far from a piece of plate that is stick welded to a piece of pipe, and hafted with a sledge hammer handle from Ace Hardware. There are countless examples of these, direct from Pakistan, to pick from. The new axe line is designed to look, feel and preform like an original, and we have the research to back it up. Big Grin

In closing, this year will be exciting at Albion. We have a number of new projects in the works. Including more axes that will hit the market in the near future, so if you are not seeing something that trips your trigger, hold onto your hat because there is more to come.

Find me on Facebook, or check out my blog. Contact me at eric@crownforge.net or ericmycue374@comcast.net if you want to talk about a commission or discuss an available piece.
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