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Joonas Pessi




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PostPosted: Mon 26 Feb, 2018 6:50 am    Post subject: Separate vs integral sleeves on gambesons.         Reply with quote

I have been wondering about if some gambesons had separate sleeves or not. I saw the theory in connection to the Bussy saint Martin gambeson sleeve, which apparently does not have signs of being stitched to a torso piece. You also see this thing in some period artwork, like the morgan bible:

Here you can see that the gambesons and their sleeves look like they are not sown together judgin from the shape of the armpit, and the fact that the torso piece seems to sit over the sleeves. Separate sleeves would certainly help to improve the mobility in gambesons that have tens of layers of linen.

So what are your thoughts on this?

Ps: the pdf is too large, so i cant add it as an attachment, but the name of the pdf is the sleeve from the church of Bussy-saint-Martin.
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Håvard Kongsrud




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PostPosted: Tue 27 Feb, 2018 9:55 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Another common interpretion of the Mac-bible, supported by textual sources, is that there are ticker sleeveless gambesons worn above thinner aketons. Both options seems liable.
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Joonas Pessi




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PostPosted: Tue 27 Feb, 2018 12:55 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yes the kings mirror mentions wearing a gambeson, coat of plates, mail, and a second gambeson over all that. I was just wondering what was the period way to maintain mobility on thicker gambesons. Perhaps gussets or splits in the armpit, although i doubt that the first option would do much good, but i haven't tried a construction like that, so that might not be so ineffective.
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Lafayette C Curtis




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PostPosted: Sat 03 Mar, 2018 2:05 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

A proposed reconstruction of the sleeve of Bussy St. Martin has it sewn in a way that integrates it with the body pieces but makes it look like a separate/detachable piece at a cursory glance.

http://www.guerriersma.com/contenu/Articles_t..._bussy.htm
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Mart Shearer




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PostPosted: Sat 03 Mar, 2018 4:01 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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