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Paul Mullins





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PostPosted: Wed 20 Sep, 2017 8:18 am    Post subject: Pakistani Damascus Swords on Ebay         Reply with quote

On a lark I made a ridiculously low offer on a fantasy leaf blade a few months ago. Much to my surprise the seller accepted and I proceeded to hope my money was not wasted. Within one week, I had a notice that I had a package to pick up at the local PO. I was prepared for the worst but upon opening this package I was completely impressed with what I found. The blade while a fantasy blade is amazing. The lines are perfect and the distal taper was also pretty impressive. I hilted it as a Roman sword but I have not finished the project.

Anyone else have a report?
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PostPosted: Wed 20 Sep, 2017 8:57 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I've looked at a few of the full-profile tang knife blades. They look pretty decent for the prices they are offered at. Since I don't have the set-up or the skills to make Damascus, I may give one a shot. I guess the knife-making bug has been biting me lately. Your project sounds interesting....we'll be glad to see the end results. Big Grin .....McM
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PostPosted: Wed 20 Sep, 2017 3:48 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I always look on ebay for cheap items that could be easily modified into a serviceable product. I've been burnt on occasion but over time you get better at picking these "rough diamonds".
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Hamish C




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PostPosted: Wed 20 Sep, 2017 6:01 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I wonder how they would stand up to cutting tests, edge rentention etc. They seem to be heat treated fairly high for swords 57-60 Rockwell, maybe the softer alloy in the damascus allows for more flexibility, and less chance of brittleness.

Sounds a little too good to be true at these relatively low prices.
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Rick F




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PostPosted: Wed 20 Sep, 2017 11:03 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I would be very interested in a performance test too.

I've been looking at them for a while. There is even a seller not too far from me, although I wonder if he just ships direct from Pakistan even though they are listed as being here. I'm awaiting the seller's reply to that question.

I keep looking at the gladius and viking style blades, and would want to cut with them.

I am very wary of them, given the horrible failures that can happen with poorly made pattern welded steel especially if it's over-hardened for the intended purpose. That's if the adverts are even true for the blade we eventually get.

Still can't help being tempted at the price though.
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PostPosted: Thu 21 Sep, 2017 7:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Pakistani Damascus Swords on Ebay         Reply with quote

Paul Mullins wrote:
Anyone else have a report?


I've been slowly Medievalising a Pakistani damascus large knife blade. Every now and then, and plenty of work to do on it. It's so hard that a normal file skates across the surface.

The edges on cheap Pakistani damascus knives (if the blade is sharpened) tend to be very poor - steep secondary bevels ground very coarse. I wouldn't expect better for swords. Sheaths for their knives tend to be leather that promotes rusting.

Paul Mullins wrote:
The lines are perfect and the distal taper was also pretty impressive.


Do you have measurements? The ones I've looked at on ebay have usually looked like they have no distal taper at all.

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PostPosted: Fri 22 Sep, 2017 7:19 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I bought a Pakistan made damascus karambit ( Actually pattern welded, true damascus steel is something else ).

I'm not sure how hard the steel is ? A file will bite into the edge with enough pressure, so I assume something close to 45/50 RC. good enough to take a useful edge but a bit short of paper cutting edge .... the blade's aggressive hooked shape would still cut and be very dangerous but not as sharp as it could be.

The " Damascus " is very attractive but I had one issue with it: The very tip had a bad weld and broke off about 1/4" from the tip.
The point fragment flaked off with very light side pressure on the point.

The rest of the blade seems OK and I have had no other issues with it.

I reshaped the point on my belt grinder with little difficulty plus a bit of work with ceramic hones.

it would probably be good to closely inspect one of these before buying for crack or flaws in the welds, or buy from a vendor with a good return policy should you get a lemon.

The quality might vary wildly by maker or even for the same maker depending on the level of quality control.

I have had so far no issues with the blade rusting from contact with the sheath on mine.

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Jonathan Hodge




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PostPosted: Fri 22 Sep, 2017 5:51 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Care to share what sellers and blades you've had good luck with? Would love to pick one up for some mods.
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PostPosted: Fri 22 Sep, 2017 8:24 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jonathan Hodge wrote:
Care to share what sellers and blades you've had good luck with? Would love to pick one up for some mods.


Well good to excellent customer service with the high end production swords and other weapons good quality from Albion, Arms & Armour, Del Tin. ( Quite a few others of medium quality ).

With general vendors I have mostly bought from Kult of Athena and I personally have always had good customer service.

http://www.kultofathena.com/

With custom makers it can be variable when it comes to wait times and not aways reliable estimates about when the product will be made and ready for delivery.

Now Kult of Athena has the whole spectrum of products from the cheapest wall hangers to high end makers and even some expensive custom work ..... one has to know what one is buying versus price/quality: Their product descriptions are generally reliable even when they come from the makers promotional blurbs.

OOOOOPS ! Maybe your question was more specific to the Pakistani pattern welded blade, and with those my experience is limited to the Karambit I purchased plus looking at a bunch of their other knives at a knife show .... but I only casually looked and handled a few of them. For DIY Mods you want sound materials well heat treated but obviously not Mod a $2000 sword from a top maker Laughing Out Loud

http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=...s+Karambit

http://www.kultofathena.com/devilsedge.asp

I bought one of the Filipino made Moro Kriss swords recently and the quality of the heat treat seems excellent as advertised and I easily got mine hair popping sharp.

A review of one of the Filipino weapons by Skallagrim:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw2vgpP6_EU

http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=...is+Sword+4

http://www.kultofathena.com/swords-asian-other.asp

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Rick F




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PostPosted: Sat 23 Sep, 2017 7:27 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I've just had a reply from the seller I massaged last week.

To be clear, it's a seller based in the UK, selling what appear to be identical blades to the ones directly from Pakistan. I thought he was probably importing and reselling, or shipping directly from Pakistan, in fact he doesn't even list on the UK site (not allowed on ebay UK). But...

He said he can make the blades I want, and I can collect them!

I find that a bit disconcerting if anything. I guess it would mean he's importing the 'damascus' blanks and has access to some industrial-grade machinery. I can't imagine what state the heat treatment will be in afterwards, unless he's doing that too.

All for around 100???

Too good to be true surely. I might ask a few more questions re. heat treating etc., but I doubt I'll go any further. Even 100 is 100 I could put towards something I'm more sure of.

The poor welding and broken tip, mentioned by Jean Thibodeau, is exactly the sort of issue I would expect and not something I want to take the chance on.
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